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Conifers, at 2024-05-05 21:41:36, said:
Needs tagging as multi-stem 👍

Sorbus, at 2024-05-05 20:30:37, said:
Probably Malus hupehensis, which is taller and old specimen are showing the typically twisted trunk.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-05-05 17:58:37, said:
Ik was hier in 2017 zoals de foto's laten zien. Veel metingen opgevoerd. Maar de meting van de Oosterse plataan was er niet. Indachtig wat Tim heeft gezegd dat je meerdere metingen in een jaar kan opvoeren (door verschillende personen) en in het idee dat iemand mijn meting had overschreven, voegde ik mijn oude meting opnieuw toe. Tot mijn verbazing is er alleen nog maar mijn meting. Lijkt me niet de bedoeling.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-05-03 16:33:03, said:
I'm not sure if this one is really a N. dombeyi.The leave corresponds, the bark doesn't. I think I have to change it to a Nothofagus sp. Unless some one can identify it better.

Conifers, at 2024-05-03 20:02:43, said:
A difficult one! In the key here it keys out as Nothofagus × leonii, but from their photos, it is clearly not that!

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-05-03 21:23:10, said:
Thanks Conifers,

I've asked the retired hortuaris of Trompenburg what he thinks. He has introduced a variety of Nothofagus in Trompenbrg.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-05-04 08:59:16, said:
Gert Fortgens thinks it is a Ulmus parvifolia. I think he is right.

Conifers, at 2024-05-04 20:01:12, said:
Good call! Agreed. Yes, I should have thought to look outside the originally ascribed genus!!

Sorbus, at 2024-05-05 07:44:15, said:
Yes, Ulmus parvifolia is the right one.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-05-05 07:53:23, said:
Sorry to have put you on the wrong track.


htmt, at 2016-12-09 14:25:24, said:
De boom heeft in een najaarsstorm van 2016 een grote tak verloren, daaropvolgend, om opnieuw schade te voorkomen, want dit was al de tweede keer, is hij december 2016 gekandelaberd. Op hoop van zegen. Zie foto.
htmt, at 2024-05-04 07:23:21, said:
De Novemberstorm van 2023 heeft hij niet overleefd. Finaal doormidden gebroken op plm 2 meter hoogte

ErikvB, at 2024-05-03 09:08:59, said:
Ben er geweest. Erg mooie plek voor die boom. Perfecte locatie voor een horror film… Heb ook foto’s, maar wil niet de graven van mensen op de site zetten.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-05-02 19:43:56, said:
Cannot understand how this tree of about 44 years old can have a girth like this. One of these days I will approach the owners and ask them if I can measure the tree.


quian, at 2024-04-30 17:59:14, said:
foto Van 1968

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DBZT, at 2024-04-29 20:46:29, said:
Il faudrait fondre en un seul arbre, le Néflier du Japon ou Bibacier, les deux orthographes Eriobotrya japonica (qui est le nom correct) et "Erobotrya" japonica, qui est incorrect.

Conifers, at 2024-04-29 23:49:50, said:
Thanks for spotting this! I've renamed all the specimens to the correct name, and blanked the incorrect name (as "Zz zz"); I think only Tim (website owner) can delete the incorrect name fully.

DBZT, at 2024-04-30 17:57:38, said:
Merci Conifers et Tim d'avoir rectifié !


Conifers, at 2024-04-29 23:59:11, said:
Galls caused by Adelges nordmannianae

DBZT, at 2024-04-28 18:01:03, said:
D'après ce qu'on peut distinguer sur cette photo, l'arbre a deux troncs accolés.


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Tready, at 2024-04-26 16:15:29, said:
Auf Anhieb gefunden

Laub noch nicht sichtbar


Conifers, at 2024-04-23 22:58:10, said:
Hi Wim - for those of us unable to read Dutch, can you help out with a bit of translation, please? I'd normally put the text into google translate, but that doesn't work with photos :-)

Thanks!

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-04-24 10:40:58, edited at 2024-04-24 11:58:06, said:
First part; Goodbye to a 100 year old Cedar.

Our hundred years old Cedar is reaching it's final phase. Storm Eunice caused a lot of breaking branches in 2022 in the, until then, beautiful tree. Rotting wounds made the tree unsafe . Therefore we decided in 2024 to cut down the crown. The stem can now slowly rot away and be food for insects and soil life.

Second part:

Tree with history.

The Cedar planted in 1928 got damaged earlier in 1961. In those days the stem was scratched out and filled with concrete. The wound closed slowly. If you have a good look at it you'll still see the concrete inside. Nowadays we leave the trees at ease. The tree is perfectly capable of healing it's own wounds.

Conifers, at 2024-04-24 10:49:47, said:
Many thanks!
Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-04-24 11:56:41, said:
You're welcome .

Sorry for the typing errors. I have to be more careful in finishing a text. I'll correct them.


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Karlheinz, at 2024-04-23 17:55:37, said:
Hallo Daniel,

dein Drohnenfoto von Waldtrauts Spitze findet Beachtumng, kannst du mehr dazu sagen?

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/fotos/163720/#c

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/fotos/163070/#c

Grüße

Karlheimz



Stephen Verge, at 2024-04-21 09:56:24, said:
A beautiful tree in a lovely setting!

Judging by the flowering and cone production, the tree looks severely stressed now and looks to have reached its max height!?

The soil compaction in the photos around the tree base has not helped. In the UK once a tall tree is made publicly aware a notice is placed at its base, people visit, soil compaction and tree decline is the end result!

I prefer to keep trees out out the public eye to avoid this. But happy to upload here.

I imagine climate change is having a big impact now on mainland European forests?

I would still put my money on tallest trees in Europe being in Wales or Scotland. Which number in the hundreds now over 60m.

The race is on!

Conifers, at 2024-04-21 23:56:59, said:
Well it still has a roughly 12-15 cm lead shoot there (2x cone length), so it is still growing taller, just not so fast any more! You'd also need to see photos from several years; this photo could just coincide with a good seed crop year, it isn't necessarily badly stressed.

Good point about compaction from increased visitors, though.

Karlheinz, at 2024-04-23 07:16:54, said:
There are photos for comparing the top of the tree from 2015 and 2019. The drone photo of 2024 shows that there must have been a problem with the top shoot about 4 years ago, possibly a side shoot has taken over the lead.
Stephen Verge, at 2024-04-23 08:32:47, said:
Looks like it lost its leading shoot about 2 seasons before. In the 2019 photo in April the tree looks drought stressed by the very short shoot extension/cone production? But its not clear that this may also be early new shoot growth that season.

I am worried that climate change is going to push suitability further and further northwest for Pacific coast species in Europe.

Great drone shot!

Stephen Verge, at 2024-04-23 08:32:49, said:
Looks like it lost its leading shoot about 2 seasons before. In the 2019 photo in April the tree looks drought stressed by the very short shoot extension/cone production? But its not clear that this may also be early new shoot growth that season.

I am worried that climate change is going to push suitability further and further northwest for Pacific coast species in Europe.

Great drone shot!


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Saro Sciuto, at 2024-04-21 19:32:39, said:
Acinstalletion had creation too accounts.

DBZT, at 2024-04-23 07:47:04, said:
I hope it will stop at 999 ! :)


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0703, at 2024-04-22 16:45:54, said:
plz add new tree in your side

species name - mangifera indica

circumference - 6.92 m

age of tree - 400 years approx

country - India

zone - Central$768

state - Uttarakhand

district - Pauri Garhwal

development section - Pauri

village - Kamand

location - approx 12 k.m. from district head quarter

(pauri - srinagar road via gadoli-khandah road)

Central$768



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0703, at 2024-04-22 16:45:22, said:
plz add new tree in your side

species name - mangifera indica

circumference - 6.92 m

age of tree - 400 years approx

country - India

zone - Central$768

state - Uttarakhand

district - Pauri Garhwal

development section - Pauri

village - Kamand

location - approx 12 k.m. from district head quarter

(pauri - srinagar road via gadoli-khandah road)



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0703, at 2024-04-22 16:44:54, said:
plz add new tree in your side

species name - mangifera indica

circumference - 6.92 m

age of tree - 400 years approx

country - India

zone - central

state - Uttarakhand

district - Pauri Garhwal

development section - Pauri

village - Kamand

location - approx 12 k.m. from district head quarter

(pauri - srinagar road via gadoli-khandah road)



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0703, at 2024-04-22 16:44:01, said:
plz add new tree in your side

species name - mangifera indica

circumference - 6.92 m

age of tree - 400 years approx

country - India

zone - central

state - Uttarakhand

district - Pauri Garhwal

development section - Pauri

village - Kamand

location - approx 12 k.m. from district head quarter

(pauri - srinagar road via gadoli-khandah road)



LukaszWilk, at 2024-04-22 09:46:01, said:
This huge Abies alba tree was even higher some time ago - it has a broken top...

dg2405, at 2024-04-03 17:47:23, said:
So wer findet Pascal?
AlfredHuizinga, at 2024-04-03 18:07:10, said:
1. April???
dg2405, at 2024-04-03 18:25:00, said:
Ich denke nicht!
dg2405, at 2024-04-03 18:25:34, said:
Der Artikel erschien schon letzte Woche
Karlheinz, at 2024-04-05 00:42:02, edited at 2024-04-05 14:26:47, said:
Der Artikel ist vom 28.03., von Hannah Steiert, und die dicke Überschrift lautet:

"Ist Waldtraut noch der höchste Baum Deutschlands? Ein Freiburger hat einen höheren gefunden"

Ich nehme die Meldung ernst. Er hat Waldtraut gemessen und hat damit eine Vergleichsmöglichkeit. Die wahre Höhe eines hohen Baumes im Waldverbund erkennt man nicht durch bloße Betrachtung, das geht nur durch konkrete Messung, und da gibt es noch sehr viel zu messen!

Wer zum Beispiel an Waldtraut vorbei spazieren geht und auch zur Spitze hochschaut würde ohne entsprechenden Hinweis nie auf die Idee kommen, das könnte der höchste Baum Deutschlands sein. So ist es nur eine Frage der Zeit, bis höhere entdeckt werden. Vielleicht geht es schneller, wenn man durch flächendeckende LIDAR-Messung weiß, wo es sich lohnt zu suchen.

Es gilt also jetzt, den genauen Standort zu ermitteln (die zur Zeit eigetragenen Koordinaten dürften fiktiv sein) und die Messung zu überprüen.

dg2405, at 2024-04-05 19:54:37, said:
Ja die Koordinaten sind fiktiv! Am besten wäre es mit dem David Koch Kontakt aufzunehmen, nur wie?
dg2405, at 2024-04-05 20:05:06, said:
Ich habe die Fr. Steiert kontaktiert, mal abwarten ob ich hier weiterkomme.
Karlheinz, at 2024-04-07 21:45:53, said:
Wenn man recherchiert, den Namen David Koch findet man häufiger, könnte ja auch ein Pseudonym sein. Soweit ich Emailadressen ausfindig machen konnte, hab ich diejenigen mit Bezug zu Freiburg oder zu Baumpflege mal angemailt, vielleicht wissen die ja auch was über ihre Namensvetter.

Die Badische Zeitung hat auch die Telefonnummern ihrer Redakteure veröffentlicht - falls da per E-Mail nichts kommen sollte:

Hannah Steiert (hast)

Telefon: 0761/496-9727

E-Mail: steiert@badische-zeitung.de

Karlheinz, at 2024-04-09 16:22:39, said:
Es ist der David Koch, der beim DAV Freiburg als Kletterer und Trainer bekannt war. Und er ist Baumkletterer, er spricht vom "Begehen" eines Baumes. Sein Standort ist Zähringen. Dann wird sein Messgerät das Bandmaß sein und ich vertraue seinen Messergebnissen. In älteren Veröffentlichungen des DAV findet man noch einiges über ihn und auch seine noch aktuelle TelNr. Und er hat erlaubt, seine Kontaktdaten weiterzugeben: 0176 67504666 (und WhatsApp) oder vietykoch@gmail.com.

Ich hab den Eindruck, er wird jeden Interessierten gern zu allen seinen Bäumen führen. Koordinaten habe ich nicht, aber er spricht von 500 m Entfernung von Pascal und Rapunzel zu St. Ottilien, und die könnten wunderbar von drei Wegen aus eingesehen werden - also das verspricht eine leichte Messung!

Ich checke schon meinen Kalender, ob ich mal eben nach Freiburg fahre ...

dg2405, at 2024-04-09 20:26:27, said:
Ich habe die Kontaktdaten auch bekommen. Ich gehe am Freitag nach Freiburg, er zeigt mir die Bäume. Jemand der noch mit will?
dg2405, at 2024-04-10 16:32:18, said:
Es gibt seit heute wohl auch noch ein 75m Exemplar, den Triton. Ihn hat David heute erklettert und die Seillänge gemessen. Sollte daher relativ genau sein. Ich bin Mal gespannt was mich am Freitag erwartet. Wir machen eine Radtour zu den, seiner Ansicht nach, 12 höchsten Bäumen rund um Freiburg.
Karlheinz, at 2024-04-11 00:32:15, said:
Ein Seil ist nicht gerade konstant in seiner Länge, auch wenn's ein statisches Kletterseil ist. Genauer wird's, wenn man ein Bandmaß von oben runter läßt, so haben Rainer Lippert und ich vor gut 10 Jahren die seinerzeit höchste Douglasie Bayerns (60,5 m) gemessen.

Mit der Radtour bin ich dann wohl außen vor - also wünsch ich Dir eine tolle Entdeckungstour mit David und warte ab, bis Du die neuen Rekordbäume dokumentiert hast! Gern würde ich aber mal hinzukommen, wenn David das vorführt, alle Einzelheiten interessieren mich. Vielleicht könnte er Triton noch mal besteigen und mit meinem 100m-Metall-Bandmaß einen noch genaueren Messwert erzielen. Noch spannend für mich ist die Frage, wie er den Rest des Baumes vom Bandmaß bis zur Spitze mißt.

Karlheinz, at 2024-04-11 21:46:14, said:
Zu seinem 75m-Triton hat er mir jetzt auch den Standort am Mühlwaldweg bei Waldtraut bekanntgegeben. Das erscheint mir unglaubwürdig, ich halte ihn jetzt eher für einen Scherzkeks, jedenfalls nicht für einen verläßlichen Baumvermesser.
dg2405, at 2024-04-12 13:15:30, said:
Also ich habe jetzt eine interessante und sehr anstrengende Tour hinter mir. Scherzkeks trifft es ganz gut. Die Waltraud ist und bleibt der höchste Baum Deutschlands. Ich habe heute sehr viele Douglasien vermessen. Es war der ein oder andere 66er dabei, aber keiner der höher ist als Waltraud. Waltraud hat nach meiner Messung 68.6m. Näheres heute Abend, da werde ich dann auch den hier korrigieren.
Karlheinz, at 2024-04-13 17:31:41, said:
Habe heute Waldtraut besucht, habe einen Messwert von 67,85 m. Ist nicht ungewöhnlich, dass ich mit Trupulse bei hohen Nadelbäumen einen halben bis einen

Meter weniger raus kriege als die mit Nikon messenden Leute. Werden abwarten müssen bis der Herr Pfeifer mit seinen Lehrlingen und hochwertigen Landvermessergeräten ein neues Ergebnis bringt.

dg2405, at 2024-04-21 07:00:17, edited at 2024-04-21 07:01:55, said:
Ich habe noch das ein oder andere Bild hochgeladen, u.A. ein Drohnenbild der Spitze von Waltraud.

Die Messung hier wurde korrigiert. Eine Neue Douglasie habe ich angelegt. Ein anderer 66er, lt. meiner Messung, war hier schon von euch angelegt. Da habe ich eben eine neue Messung hinzugefügt. Dem Herr Koch legte ich nahe sich auch ein einfaches Nikon-Gerät zuzulegen, dann kann er auf die "Jagd" gehen und sich wieder melden wenn er was gefunden hat 🙂

Karlheinz, at 2024-04-21 08:45:36, said:
Mich fasziniert das Drohnenfoto von Waldtrauts Spitze, die sieht ja noch richtig gesund und wachstumsfreudig aus!

Dieses Drohnenfoto gibt mir keine Information preis über das Aufnahmedatum und die verwendete Drohne/Drohnenkamera. Mich würde sehr interessieren, ob man mit Hilfe einer Drohne einen genaueren Höhenmesswert hinkriegt. Ich stelle mir vor, man positioniert die Drohne nahe und genau in Höhe der Spitze und misst dann mit unseren Lasern auf die Drohne. Dann hätte man einen präziseren Reflexionspunkt als von der natürlichen Spitze und man erhielte einen genaueren Messwert.


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DBZT, at 2024-04-20 19:58:25, said:
Is acinstallation nnn a bug ??? a virus ???


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DBZT, at 2024-04-12 19:44:52, said:
Le chêne vert millénaire enregistré par Ernesto n'apparaît pas lorsqu'on recherche les arbres remarquables de Barcabo (Aragon).

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-04-14 13:00:08, edited at 2024-04-14 13:05:14, said:
Si aparece, como multitronco, al parecer el tronco se divide por debajo de 1,30, según Wikipedia. Corrígelo si no está bien

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-04-14 13:04:29, said:
https://www.monumentaltrees.com/fr/esp/aragon/huesca/31676_lecina/

DBZT, at 2024-04-16 07:53:39, said:
Cet arbre est monotronc ; il n'y a pas de fissure partant de la base et montrant deux ou plusieurs troncs accolés. DBZT

Conifers, at 2024-04-17 10:36:20, said:
The photo on Wiki Commons clearly shows it to be multi-stem; the major low branches give a substantial increase in the girth at normal measuring height.

PS this photo has a cc-by-sa license, so it can be uploaded here. You need to state the source and license, and say who took it, that is all.


DBZT, at 2024-04-17 10:54:31, said:
Ok Conifers. Je ne connaissais pas cette photo, seulement un grand nombre d'autres photos prises sous un autre angleet qui donnaient l'impression d'un tronc plus homogène. Je vais classer l'arbre comme multitronc si tu ne l'as pas déjà fait. DBZT.

Conifers, at 2024-04-17 15:17:47, said:
Merci!


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HS021, at 2024-04-15 18:26:29, said:
Hi! Does anyone know if there's anyway to link the map of trees to my google maps account or other maps? Would be so useful to find when there"s one around :-)

Thank you so much



Conifers, at 2024-04-13 22:16:39, said:
Needs tagging as multi-stem!

Conifers, at 2024-04-12 20:58:43, said:
That's sad - the only one in Britain that I've seen photos of, with a decent straight trunk. The lack of summer heat here usually leaves them a very poor shape as the wood doesn't ripen and harden up properly in late summer.
Aidan, at 2024-04-13 17:59:24, said:
Indeed. It was a very fine specimen, especially for Surrey, and one of my favourite trees here. Hopefully they'll plant a replacement tree.

KoutaR, at 2024-04-13 14:39:28, said:
Hi limanniel,

Gorgeous poplar! Which laser model did you use?

Greetings

Kouta from Germany


joseph1967genx, at 2024-04-12 16:11:21, said:
Local community members have managed to so far

As of april 10 , 2024 have

Managed to prevent cutting or

Removal of the tree

There is an online pettion to save this marvel

Of nature for future generations @ https://www.change.org/p/protect-250-yr-old-historic-bur-oak-5-m-trunk-circumference-in-toronto

joseph1967genx, at 2024-04-12 16:13:33, said:
Local residents of wexford maryvale can ask

The city to get historical protected tree status

For the bur oak of 25 boem


joseph1967genx, at 2024-04-12 16:01:06, edited at 2024-04-12 16:06:11, said:
This magnificant bur oak has a trunk diameter of

159cms or 63 inches - 5.2 ft

Height ( height not officially measured

Thought to be 30metres or 97.4 ft )

joseph1967genx, at 2024-04-12 16:02:59, edited at 2024-04-12 16:03:56, said:
5,2 metres ( 17 ..06 ft ) circumference

Conifers, at 2024-04-09 10:13:30, said:
This tree needs tagging as multi-trunk!

syro1963, at 2020-07-12 16:53:30, said:
Überaus ausladende Krone mit 30 m x 50 m an der Basis
Rainer Lippert, at 2020-07-12 18:14:34, said:
Hallo, die Koordinaten stimmen nicht. Da steht kein Baum.
Conifers, at 2024-04-09 10:11:58, said:
This is the same tree as London Plane (Platanus × hispanica) '41191' and needs to be merged, at that tree's location.

DBZT, at 2024-04-09 08:56:28, said:
L'hybride Platanus x hispanica, d'après la littérature botaniste, est apparu en 1650. Son âge maximum devrait donc être de 374 ans. Comment cet arbre et celui de la Nie en Charente peuvent-ils être plus âgés ? Attention aux ''légendes'' historiques !...

Conifers, at 2024-04-09 10:01:25, said:
Agree that is far too old! I've added an estimate of 1850 ± 40 years, which fits the size of the tree better. But there really does need to be a better mechanism for removing impossible ages (dates claiming a tree to be older than the species' existence in a region).


noahandrews, at 2024-04-08 05:53:14, said:
thats a beast of a tree. nice.
Conifers, at 2024-04-09 09:35:28, said:
Indeed! Needs tagging as multi-trunk of course.

Betsy, at 2024-04-08 19:56:44, said:
Someone should go to Railsback St. In southern Caddo Parish, Louisiana and measure the Southern Red Oaks at approx street number 457 around the hill. There were several gigantic ones there when I lived there as a child.


AlfredHuizinga, at 2024-04-08 18:45:56, said:
Bellissimo

KoutaR, at 2024-04-05 06:45:00, said:
Hi Treeriders,

You have chosen "Laser with Three-point measurement". Could you please explain, how did you measure the tree? Which instrument did you use?

Regards

Kouta

Treeriders, at 2024-04-07 19:39:31, edited at 2024-04-07 19:55:23, said:
Dear Kouta,

Always nice to talk with you,

I was just about posting about this topic!

Using a lumberjack's cross or a common forestry laser (i had a trupulse 200L) is the same : Distance to the tree / angle to bottom / angle to top = Tangente method : Easy but subject to operator's aiming and parralax errors (deviation between top and bottom).

The Sine method (frequently seen on the measurements description) means you get the distance to the bottom and the distance to the top. It's more accurate (no influence of the tilt of the tree) but you need to "touch" the top wih your laser (so far, few forestry laser offer this option).

Sine method gives statistically lower heights, due to this "need" of consistent "material" to point at.

I'm consequently very interested in all community's experiences about shooting right!

We tried once to use the Sine method with a Leica Disto D8 aiming to a target hold by a climber at the top, to compare several method. Measurements were closer to the climbing ones but still not so accurate :)

Regards,

Bertrand

(After reading, Nikon forestry pro 2 offers both methods : Sine (2points) and Tangente (3 points). Most of the others lasers have only tangente method in routine)

KoutaR, at 2024-04-08 06:33:08, said:
Hi Bertrand,

I asked that because you have also added tape measurements on MT, so I thought maybe you have accidentally chosen a wrong method.

Wit Disto D8 it is almost impossible to get response from tree top. Its laser beam is too weak. Most measurers still use Nikon lasers, but today there are also other brands, like Chinese Suaoki, Huepar HLR1000, Boblov NK-1000 and Polish Yato YT-73129. TruPulse lasers are more expensive and accurate.


DBZT, at 2024-04-07 19:01:08, said:
D'après les images street view de Google maps, en fonction du contexte (automobile, personnage), la circonférence de cet arbre doit se situer entre 8 et 9 mètres à 1,30 m du sol, absolument pas > 13 mètres ! Cette mesure est probablement celle de la circonférence au niveau du sol.


DBZT, at 2024-04-07 18:58:04, said:
D'apès les images Google street view et en se fondant sur le contexte proche (automobile, personnage), cet


Conifers, at 2024-04-07 14:56:48, said:
Another multi-stem tree (and one that looks to have a fairly high risk of failure, that hight-side branch liable to split in a storm).

Conifers, at 2024-04-07 14:53:55, said:
I'd say this should count as a multi-stem tree; the fork starts well below measuring height (close to ground level, going by the bark ridge running down from the join), and separated by about 1.8 m (assuming the person is average height!).

DBZT, at 2024-04-05 12:17:03, said:
Quelle est cette mesure invraisemblable ? Rainer, toi qui a fait la liste des chênes monumentaux d'Allemagne, un commentaire ?

Jeroen Philippona, at 2024-04-05 21:24:08, edited at 2024-04-05 21:35:33, said:
No, this hightmeasurement is not reliable. From the photo the tree looks not more than 25 - 30 m tall.

There are very few Quercus robur of over 35 m growing outside forests or at least forest-parks anywere in Europe.

Rainer has a list of over 1200 oaks in Germany of over 6 m circumference. Of these the tallest is 38 m.

Regards, Jeroen



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BeatriceSpates, at 2024-04-04 10:54:00, said:
Hello, Does anyone know the location of the largest beech tree in the world, which is supposedly in the Soignies Forest in Belgium? I haven’t yet found the location. I love visiting trees.

BTW, I will have some to add to the list for Belgium. Thank you.

Bonjour, Est-ce que quelqu’un connaît la localisation du plus grand hêtre du monde, qui parait-il se trouve dans la Forêt de Soignes en Belgique?

Pour info, j’ai quelques arbres à ajouter pour la liste belge. Merci

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BeatriceSpates, at 2024-04-04 10:53:29, said:
Hello, Does anyone know the location of the largest beech tree in the world, which is supposedly in the Soignies Forest in Belgium? I haven’t yet found the location. I love visiting trees.

BTW, I will have some to add to the list for Belgium. Thank you.

Bonjour, Est-ce que quelqu’un connaît la localisation du plus grand hêtre du monde, qui parait-il se trouve dans la Forêt de Soignes en Belgique?

Pour info, j’ai quelques arbres à ajouter pour la liste belge. Merci



bomenels, at 2024-04-03 16:31:50, said:
There are two old olive trees on this site. The tree mentioned is the oldest, but about 15 metres from this tree there is another one, that is maybe 600 years old or so. I do not remember the age rightly, might be much older, as it is also an impressive tree. I have pictures of both these trees, which I visited on 9 august 2020.


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bomenels, at 2024-04-03 15:51:20, said:
I try to add this tree. I do not know when it was planted exactly, but it is at least 100 years ago. I am not confident enough of the planting date to click on a specific date in the list. This seems to indicate that I cannot add further details.

I measured the circumference around the beginning of March 2024, at 1.30 m height as explained here. It was 2.06 m.

I would like to add a few more details.



Aidan, at 2022-12-12 21:15:33, said:
This is one of the golden cultivars of Cupressus macrocarpa, not x Cuprocyparis leylandii, which is less spiky-looking and more scruffy. I would guess a young specimen of 'Lutea', though it could be a big 'Goldcrest' (or 'Donard Gold'?).
Conifers, at 2022-12-13 11:13:36, said:
Hi Aidan - I'd agree with Cupressus macrocarpa 'Lutea'. It doesn't look like pics of 'Goldcrest', that has more uniform, less 'spiky'-looking branch tips. 'Goldcrest' also isn't very hardy; I doubt it would get by without cold damage in the Netherlands, whereas 'Lutea' is hardier than average for Monterey Cypress clones.
Aidan, at 2022-12-13 19:18:30, said:
Yes, and you raise good points about hardiness. I doubt 'Goldcrest' can get that big anyway.
Nardo Kaandorp, at 2022-12-29 11:46:31, said:
Hi Aidan, Conifers,

Thanks for your comments. Funny thing .. my first guess was Cupressus macrocarpa 'Lutea'. I was not sure, so I asked someone else for his opinion . He tolded me that Cupressus macrocarpa is not "Winter proof" in The Netherlands, so it probably is "Cupressus x leylandii". I will ask him again.

Rgds, Nardo

Conifers, at 2022-12-29 16:13:52, said:
Hi Nardo - Thanks! It's only a young tree, no more than 20-25 years old (it grows very fast!), so will not have experienced any severe winters, having lived only in the period of modern global warming. While Cupressus macrocarpa was not 'winter proof' in The Netherlands in the past, it probably is now.
Nardo Kaandorp, at 2022-12-30 20:58:38, said:
Hi Conifers, We are not convinced ... yet. 2012 for example was a pretty cold winter in the Netherlands. I have been looking for photo's of both species and they can look almost alike. Leylandii can also be very spiky I found out. For example see:

https://plants.westonnurseries.com/12130019/Plant/9029/Gold_Rider_Leyland_Cypress

or

https://appeltern.nl/nl/tuinadvies/plantenencyclopedie/%C3%97_cupressocyparis_leylandii_gold_rider_bastaard_cypres

Is there perhaps another 'simple' way to check what kind of tree it is?

Conifers, at 2022-12-30 22:02:40, said:
Are there any Pinus pinaster in the region? If that can survive, then generally, Cupressus macrocarpa can, too.

For definitive identification, look for cones. Over 2 cm long = Cupressus macrocarpa; under 2 cm long = Cupressus × leylandii.

Aidan, at 2022-12-31 10:50:14, said:
Hi Nardo,

This is definitely Cupressus macrocarpa! Big trees can be found all the way up in Scotland, granted they do have the benefits microclimates up there, but there is no reason to suggest that a young tree like this cannot survive in the Netherlands, especially with climate change.

I would agree that Cupressus x leylandii 'Gold Rider' is similarly spiky, but it still looks too wispy looking in my opinion for this tree to be one.

Check the cones when you next visit to be certain.

Nardo Kaandorp, at 2022-12-31 15:57:25, said:
Hi Aidan, Conifers, In 2023 I want to visit this tree again and hopefully find some cones. Wishing you all the best for 2023 .... Nardo
TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2023-01-03 20:00:37, said:
It is certainly Cupressus macrocarpa from the photo. 'Goldcrest' (seen a lot in England as a young tree) will probably get as broad and irregular as that as it gets older; 'Lutea' isn't usually as bright yellow as that but it's hard to tell the foliage colour for certain in a photo. But many other similar sports have been named and sold over the years and in Holland I expect some other clones will have been widely planted.
Nardo Kaandorp, at 2024-04-03 15:16:42, said:
Dear All,

Today I visited the tree again and found some cones. All fullgrown cones were more than 2cm in lenght upto almost 3cm, so it must be a Cupressus macrocarpa. I changed it on MT.

Regards, Nardo


Conifers, at 2023-03-04 11:20:46, said:
Not yet planted as of the most recent google street view in 2013, so under 10 years old 👍
jnyssen, at 2023-03-04 11:42:00, said:
I know its rapid growth from Ethiopia.

But I would not expect the tree to grow this rapidly at 50° N. I wouldn't even expect that it could survive our winters. This winter we had up to -10 °C...

Conifers, at 2023-03-04 11:48:29, said:
Yes, surprising it has survived at all in Belgium! The top is dead, though.

I remember one of these in a garden in Bangor, Wales, when I was at university; I measured it, 14 m tall. I asked the gardeners how old it was. They said it was 6, or 7, they couldn't remember which.

jnyssen, at 2023-03-04 11:54:10, said:
Could well be that it benefits from microclimate in between the houses. This plateau is relatively cold, with regular very cold eastern winds. Probably the top is exposed and suffered from frost.

Would you expect the leaves to survive, if they had been frozen in a cold night?

So I go for a thermal optimum at night between 1 m and 8 m high approx.

Conifers, at 2023-03-04 16:04:59, said:
Exactly what I was thinking, it's grown out of the shelter, and its exposed top got hit bad. The dead part will resprout readily from thicker branches just below where it has been killed to. If a colder winter kills it to the ground, it will still resprout from the stump, unless the roots froze as well (in which case it will be outright dead).
jnyssen, at 2024-04-03 09:55:52, said:
Modelling by KU Leuven foresters shows that the NW European continent will become more suitable for this tree, due to climate change (pers. comm.).

DBZT, at 2024-04-02 10:09:13, said:
Alberto CF, où as-tu trouvé cette date de 1366 contraire à la majorité des sources documentaires, qui disent cet arbre vieux de 1200 ans ? DBZT


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-04-02 08:39:26, said:
Bijzondere vondst Nardo. Mooi! En dat jij z'n speciale boom zo maar herkent. Top!


ku200028nv, at 2023-02-25 10:46:05, said:
GEFÄHRDET DURCH TAGEBAU NOCHTEN...
ku200028nv, at 2024-04-01 13:49:08, said:
Dieser Baum wurde im März wegen der Inanspruchnahme für den Tagebau Nochten gefällt. Aus ihm wird ein Brückenteil für die Brücke in Spreetal Neustadt-Ruhlmühle.

JimDinNB, at 2024-03-31 12:17:36, said:
The dawn redwood was known only from fossils until a remnant population was discovered in China during WW2. This tree would have been planted in the 1950s at the earliest.

Conifers, at 2024-03-31 15:09:31, said:
Yes, definitely! I've added a planting date of 1955 ± 5.


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jfkruize, at 2024-03-31 10:50:59, said:
Het lukt me niet om een heel grootte zomereik(omtrek 5.75 om 1 meter hoogte) toe te voegen . als ik alles heb op geslagen zegt die bij een foto toevoegen dat de boom nog niet geregistreerd is.

gr

Jeroen



DBZT, at 2024-03-31 08:50:54, said:
The summit of “Pain de Sucre”, the high place and the symbol of the fight to save the Bager forest, a refuge for very rich flora and fauna, against a quarry project.

Saro Sciuto, at 2024-03-30 15:05:20, said:
Sullo sfondo "ul Rudun" una noria per portare l'acqua al piano di campagna.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-03-29 17:12:01, said:
Ziet er uit als een kerngezonde boom die gekapt is. Ik heb nog geen kapvergunning kunnen vinden.


DBZT, at 2024-03-29 15:37:58, said:
Je ne pense pas que cet arbre dépasse beaucoup les 8 mètres de circonférence. La base de son tronc n'est pas circulaire ; de ''profil'', on peut même tabler sur un diamètre deux fois inférieur au diamètre ''de face''.


DBZT, at 2024-03-29 15:33:37, said:
D'après les photos, je dirais plutôt autour de 8 m de circonférence.


marcosguiadanes, at 2024-03-28 09:46:59, said:
Frangula alnus de 85 cm de circunferencia y 7 metros de altura en Tourón, Melon Galicia España


RAC77, at 2024-03-23 07:19:52, said:
Hola, buenos dias, estoy intentando crear como siempre la ficha de un nuevo arbol monumental en mi ciudad española de Elche, antes de subir despues la fotografia, y me aparece siempre un mensaje de error, por algun error tecnico cuando valido la ultima pagina del proceso.

Os sugiero si podeis verificar el correcto funcionamiento de la web, porque parece ser que finalmente he podido comprobar que se crea correctamente el registro del arbol pero se va duplicando y asi quedan vacias varias fichas de arboles, porque al aparecer un mensaje de error, ello a muchos usuarios nos hace pensar que no funciona y lo volvemos a repetir. Gracias, Raul Agullo Coves

Un fuerte abrazo y muchas gracias de nuevo por vuestra web y gran trabajo de divulgacion, que nos estimula especialmente como herramienta didactica para incentivar la conservacion de arboles monumentales en nuestro entorno local que es donde mas podemos influir a nuestros amigos, familiares, conocidos y ciudadanos.


Alberto C F, at 2024-03-27 18:09:53, said:
Hola Rac77,

A ver si Tim, el administrador y fundador de la web ve tu mensaje y le echa un vistazo pero suele estar muy liado. De todos modos es uno de los encantos que tiene esta página, suele dar algún problemilla. Se ha convertido en una gran base de datos y no hay presupuesto, supongo que es por este motivo.

¡Un saludo!


RAC77, at 2024-03-28 04:41:28, said:
Gracias, Alberto C F


Jeroen Philippona, at 2024-03-27 13:37:38, said:
Foto 02-05-2018

sarevok, at 2024-03-10 03:34:54, edited at 2024-03-11 01:40:19, said:
Hi haavar! I have 2 questions for you. The norway spruces along Kluksgilet in Eitorn, Western Norway, how tall do you think they are today? Have new measurements been done since 2016? One of them was 46.4 metres in 2016. And how tall do you think the tallest spruce is today in south of Finede, Horn, Östergötland, Sweden? Have new measurements been done since 2016? It was 46.7 metres in 2020.

Hälsningar från Ulrik, also known as Sarevok in the skogsforum-site

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-11 14:30:39, said:
Hi, it's hard to tell how tall these are today. First of all the lidar-data from this area is bad and old. Second it's very steep in this area so hard to judge exact. Likely the lidar data didn't get the tippy top of this spruce, so it could've been a bit taller too, but hard to tell. Today I would suppose this tree is among the very tallest Norway spruces in Scandinavia, probably close to Styggvanngrana!
sarevok, at 2024-03-11 22:41:03, edited at 2024-03-11 22:51:32, said:
I saw you were there and measured it from the ground some years ago, that measurement was accurate, right?

Now it maybe is even higher than Estonia's highest norway spruce which they say is around 50.4 metres tall.

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-12 12:54:30, said:
Styggvanngrana you mean? I've been there many times and laser measured it many times too.
sarevok, at 2024-03-15 00:33:57, edited at 2024-03-15 01:06:34, said:
No, I mean the highest Norway spruce in Eitorn. Can you go there and measure

all the tall Norway spruces which exist in Eitorn? They must have grown quite a bit in height.

Can you then go to Estonia and measure that country's tallest Norway spruce? This one must have grown quite a bit in height too.

THEN WE FINALLY KNOW WHAT Norway Spruce that is the tallest in Scandinavia!!

Finally. Remember to measure the tallest scots pine in Estonia too, it only like 200 metres away from Estonia's tallest Norway Spruce.

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-15 08:34:41, said:
Eitorn I want to go to, Estonia I will not. I've checked that area in Estonia with lidar and didn't find anything that tall. Not sure how they measured the spruce. Also Estonia isn't a part of Scandinavia, so not that interesting.
sarevok, at 2024-03-16 02:38:01, edited at 2024-03-17 17:20:31, said:
Haavar! I'm glad you want to go to Eitorn, You have checked so many trees in Norway, so why why would you not check the final location, and finally find out the which norway spruce is the heighest of styggvangrana and the ones in Eitorn? When will you try to get to Eitorn and check the Norway Spruces there?

I checked the site here on monumental trees, the site says Estonia has a record tall norway spruce that is 48.6 metres tall and a record tall scots pine that is 46.6 metres tall. So you have checked Estonias Norway spruces with Lidar? I would definitely go there if I had your job and if those 2 record trees still existed in Estonia.

Hälsningar

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-16 11:35:48, said:
Not sure when, maybe this summer :)
sarevok, at 2024-03-17 17:26:11, edited at 2024-03-17 17:27:42, said:
One final questions my friend. The Norway Spruce in Estonia that they said was 48.6 metres, how tall was that spruce the LIDAR when the spruce still existed in the LIDAR?

The Scots pine in Estonia that they said was 46.6 metres, how tall was the scots pine in the lidar When the Scots pine still existed in the Lidar?

sarevok, at 2024-03-18 21:49:06, said:
I appreciate your answers, no one in Sweden with your job would ever have given me so much nice answers.
sarevok, at 2024-03-18 23:05:01, said:
WELL WELL, can you answer my latest 2 questions? Estonia is a nice country, that have some nice trees saved from the destroyer nation of Russia.
Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-19 08:24:42, said:
Dont remember exactly, but the tallest tree in that area was a few meters lower than expected. I'll probably check the area again soon. I found some other tall trees in Estonia, both larch, spurce and some deciduous.
Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-19 12:06:48, said:
Checked the area in Estonia again, now I found them! They were marked wrong on the map on this site. Makes sense now :)
Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-19 20:30:50, edited at 2024-03-19 20:31:25, said:
Will almost surprise me if it's still alive, looking at it's condition here (in 2019):

https://www.google.com/maps/@57.9126071,27.317464,3a,90y,345.4h,128.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipOeYGoe8_zJwqMc4om2YW7noZJWB4H6v3XaBrwz!2e10!7i7296!8i3648?entry=ttu

sarevok, at 2024-03-20 00:55:23, edited at 2024-03-20 01:02:35, said:
Interesting picture. Well, I would say that the Estonia Norway spruce never became taller than the mölnbacka spruce here in Sweden, which died at 49.6 metres tall.

You would also say so right? That this estonia Norway spruce never got taller than the Mölnbacka spruce.

But if this Esotnian norway spruce somehow has survived to this date, how much do you think it has grown per year from 2015 to this date?

And what about the scots pine? how much do you think it has grown from 2015 to now?

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-20 10:54:18, edited at 2024-03-20 10:57:20, said:
Hard to say, can't see how the condition is higher up on the spruce in 2019. I think it got atleast close to Mölnbacka one, if it's not taller.

The pine too is difficult. The pines looked like they were in great condition in 2019. Also the pines are much more impressive than the Norway spruce to me. Just insane ones. I would assume the tallest should be 48-49 today maybe, although that's mostly guessing.

sarevok, at 2024-03-26 18:41:34, said:
Är det så att du bara mäter alla träd du orkar mäta vid koordinatplatsen, och sen väljer det längsta trädet att registrera?

Eller har du nån bättre metod att hitta rätt träd när du åker till platsen där ett träd finns?

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-26 19:58:10, said:
Usually I can see it clearly on lidar etc, but if I'm unsure of if it's close between some candidates I measure multiple ones when I'm there.
sarevok, at 2024-03-27 00:02:18, edited at 2024-03-27 00:02:45, said:
This is me filming the mölnbacka spruce. This was in 2023.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URD2X5DeK34


Barky98, at 2024-03-26 09:49:24, said:
Sorry, not directly above, but nearer - for some reason there's still a rope barrier around it. Which could of course be ignored, but would sooner get permission first in case of unexpected reaction. Will ask.
Conifers, at 2024-03-26 20:42:20, said:
Thanks! I'd have just climbed over :-)

It does look like it might have fallen in a gale before the stump was tidied up. But see what they say 👍


marinusvantentbeking, at 2024-03-26 09:24:51, said:
Hoe oud zijn de 6 Sequoia's rondom het hotel Castel de Pont à Lesse in Dinant?


Frank Gyssling, at 2024-03-24 19:07:24, said:
Hello Tim

in my last entry I changed the tree species to: Prunus subhirtella 'Acculade'. After that an error message was displayed preventing further entries. Can you please switch this off?

best regards Frank


Conifers, at 2024-03-24 22:28:36, said:
Hello Frank - I don't know if this is the cause of your problem, but the spelling should be 'Accolade', not "Acculade". Also, as its parentage is uncertain, it is usually just cited as Prunus 'Accolade', without any species attribution. Hope this helps!

Frank Gyssling, at 2024-03-25 10:18:26, said:
The taxon at the German Dendrological Society and in various taxonomy books is: Prunus × subhirtella 'Accolade' Thanks for the correction note

Frank Gyssling, at 2024-03-25 10:39:03, said:
The best thing would be if Tim could delete the tree including photos and I could then post it again.


RAC77, at 2024-03-23 07:22:15, said:
Toda la información sobre este árbol ha podido ser recopilada gracias a las gestiones de Carlos Martínez Canales, y Gaspar Agulló Sánchez.
RAC77, at 2024-03-23 10:00:06, said:
Se trataría en principio del ejemplar piñonero vivo más longevo del término municipal de Elche, tras haber arrancado el Ayuntamiento de esta localidad otro magnífico ejemplar de propiedad pública municipal en el casco urbano, por haberlo secado con obras públicas en las que no se tuvo en cuenta este patrimonio arbóreo para desviar apenas unos pocos metros una excavación para la instalación de un nuevo entubamiento subterráneo en el popular barrio de San Antón donde el susodicho pino piñonero centenario y de porte monumental, estaba asociado a antiquísimas tradiciones ilicitanas que se celebran anualmente en su entorno.

Es la consecuencia de no tener todavía aprobado un catálogo municipal de árboles singulares a fecha de 23 de Marzo de 2024, y una sencilla ordenanza o similar normativa municipal para fomentar su conservación y divulgación como herramienta de gran valor educativo sobre los valores naturales del entorno ciudadano.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-21 20:51:06, said:
There's a misprint in this name - it should be Vitex lucens.
Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-03-21 22:13:16, said:
OK. I cannot rectify the error without deleting the tree, I don't know if the administrator can do it. I correct it in Edit.
Conifers, at 2024-03-21 22:26:51, said:
Done, it reads lucens now 👍

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-21 19:18:17, said:
Looking at Maarten's photo I realise that this isn't Betula papyrifera (as it's always been catalogued) at all. B. ermanii x pubescens (an accidental hybrid from B. ermanii seed germinated here, as often happens) becomes the obvious identification and is a birch known to get this bigger.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-21 17:02:10, said:
From its shape, with horizontal limbs and the bole visible all the way up, I would guess this is Cupressus lusitanica (of which several have been recorded at Rostrevor) rather than C. sempervirens. It is certainly different from the bigger rather weeping tree here which is recorded on monumentaltrees as C. lusitanica (not previously measured), but this tree was reported by Aubrey Fennell (I think Aubrey and 'festscambo' were working together on this survey?) as the arguaby distinct C. benthamii. This latter tree seems not to have been measured before, but might be the same as a Mexican cypress described as an 'old tree' in Elwes and Henry and probably from Portuguese seed sent by Lord Ferrard in 1809 (though a 'much larger tree' had blown down at Rostrevor in 1903). I haven't checked the original text of Elwes and Henry to see if they were distinguishing C. lusitanica and C. benthamii; I suspect not.
Conifers, at 2024-03-21 19:00:12, said:
Could be, but also C. sempervirens is very variable in shape with intergradation between the fastigiate cultivars and the natural wild type. I'd want to see some cones to be sure.

As an aside, C. benthamii is distinct from C. lusitanica in genetics; in all probability, "C. lusitanica" may turn out to comprise multiple species, as it has never been examined on a range-wide basis (think like the old "C. arizonica" now split into 5 or 6 species).


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-21 17:03:26, said:
See my comments under tree '34105' at Rostrevor.

dennisp2, at 2024-03-21 13:57:17, said:
De boom direct voor het huis is op de achtergrond te zien

Conifers, at 2024-03-20 22:57:08, said:
Sambucus nigra growing as an epiphyte in a hole in the Morus alba!!

Conifers, at 2024-03-20 22:53:06, said:
Extensive decay - not surprising it broke in a storm.

Korpi47, at 2024-03-19 21:54:02, said:
Fraxinus Excelsior :)
Conifers, at 2024-03-20 22:39:19, said:
Agree, Fraxinus excelsior. I can correct it if you like.

The position is also slightly out, I'll correct that now.


KoutaR, at 2024-03-16 10:54:35, said:
This hazel is clearly multitrunked and should be labelled as such. The same applies to the other large hazels on MT.
Conifers, at 2024-03-16 14:30:46, said:
Agreed! I've tagged it as such and some of the others as well.
KoutaR, at 2024-03-16 14:37:32, said:
Conifers, I remind you that we have agreed not to change information before the uploader has expressed his opinion. However, in this case I guess DB will not disagree. Probably he has just forgotten to change the multitrunk setting.
Conifers, at 2024-03-16 16:48:40, said:
Think it's OK with this as it is just a toggle button that can easily be changed back again, it's not like adding a more permanent change.
Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-03-16 19:23:21, said:
@ KoutaR. Thank you Kouta. That's the way to do it; respectful and avoid conflicts. Don't change the characteristics of a tree if the guy who registered the tree is not made part of the decision.
DBZT, at 2024-03-16 21:34:46, said:
Bonsoir à tous,

Je comprends vos remarques, cependant c'est volontairement que j'ai classé ce noisetier comme mono-tronc, car jusqu'à 45 cm de hauteur moyenne au-dessus du sol, sur tous les côtés j'ai constaté que ce ne sont pas plusieurs troncs accolés, remplis à l'intérieur d'un mélange de terre et de feuilles séchées, mais bien un gros tronc ligneux et sans crevasses verticales majeures, assez lisse même, sur lequel et autour duquel viennent se rattacher de nombreuses branches, dont je n'ai pas tenu compte dans ma mesure. Je n'ai mesuré que ce tronc basal lisse et ligneux, compact, constatable sur tous les côtés. La photo de la base montre mal tout cela, je l'avoue. Dès que je pourrai je retournerai sur place et prendrai plusieurs photos supplémentaires, et après, vous jugerez... Je ne me vexerai pas si vous le considérez comme multi-tronc, don't worry !

DBZT

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-03-16 22:55:28, said:
In my opinion it is certainly a multitrunktree. Thank you DBZT for your elaborated answer.
Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-03-16 23:09:59, said:
In The Netherlands and I think that's not an isolated problem, people who have the mark of being a scientific employee, think they are in a position to tell others what they must and can do. I will never accept that. Remember that nowadays scientists are living in a buble and are parroting one after another in what must be the standard. A horror for the real scientists. I will resist them.
DBZT, at 2024-03-17 07:49:19, said:
OK. As you want. You can change in multi-trunk tree.
DBZT, at 2024-03-17 07:50:38, said:
Hello Wim,

if you aim me in your last comment, I can tell you I'm not a scientist, nor an universitarian. My job was consisting in making plugs in drilling cores and maintenance of a core stock. I am only passionate for botanics from my youngest years, in amateur.

DBZT

DBZT, at 2024-03-20 07:43:18, said:
Wim, Kouta,

I took new photos yesterday ; tell me what you think about it. Thanks

KoutaR, at 2024-03-20 11:16:28, said:
Thanks for the new photos! I think they clearly show that it is a fused trunk. Even the fusion lines are still visible.
DBZT, at 2024-03-20 19:20:30, said:
On n'est pas d'accord, mais ce n'est pas grave.

dennisp2, at 2024-03-20 13:51:01, said:
Beide platanen in 1 shot

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KoutaR, at 2022-03-26 10:15:41, said:
Hello sarevok,

Why did you add new measurements for the 47-metre spruces? I understand that you wanted to correct 47.02 -> 47.20 but in such case you should correct the former measurement, instead of adding a new one. In case you don't have enough rights to edit a measurement, please ask somebody to do that. You refer to the measurements made by F. Melakari. I suppose you have not measured the trees by yourself?

Regars

Kouta


sarevok, at 2024-03-20 01:13:59, said:
Yes, i should have overwritten the 47.02 instead of adding a new height.

Yes, i refer everything to Fredrik Melakari. I haven't measured the trees myself.

In the 47.02 site I gave a video as source of the tree. I heard that absolutely all those 3 Norway Spruces in that video have died.



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StefanC1, at 2024-03-19 14:18:31, said:
hallo

Leute im Raum Wien oder NIederösterreich die gerne Bäume fotografieren

ich bin immer alleine

wer macht noch sowas?



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StefanC1, at 2024-03-19 14:17:50, said:
hallo

der da

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/aut/niederosterreich/wienumgebung/5820_beugenau/11491/



ronald1, at 2024-03-19 11:31:14, said:
Alleen jammer dat zich steeds meer zwammen openbaren. Hopelijk houdt de boom het nog lang vol.

ronald1, at 2024-03-19 11:29:04, said:
De wilg heeft vorig jaar nog flink gegroeid na de rigoureuze snoei en lijkt ook dit jaar weer mooi uit te lopen.

MColombari1, at 2012-11-02 10:45:21, said:
Wohw!!beautifull
Joel Skok, at 2012-11-10 19:16:46, said:
Must see this marvel of creation. But tell me, what is its condition? Live top? Much decay or dead wood?
Conifers, at 2012-11-10 20:58:51, said:
Plenty of pics available with a google search (it's a famous tree). From these two, it has a good dense healthy crown, though looks like it's lost its top at some stage:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lesley_sutherland/6235601680/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pspahn/2613954984/

KoutaR, at 2012-11-10 21:03:47, said:
Joel,

The original top has snapped a long time ago, but the tree is still almost 60 m tall. Otherwise the tree is, as far as I remember, in a good shape.

Still more than this tree, I liked neighbouring Olympic National Park. One of the greatest park I have hiked. A primeval wilderness with giant Douglas-firs, Sitka spruces and western redcedars, wild rivers and snow-capped mountains.

Kouta

KoutaR, at 2012-11-12 11:10:02, said:
Joel,

So you have been there and I advertised the park needlessly!

Kouta

Baumfan1964, at 2014-10-16 20:19:09, said:
wonderfull,I am deeply impressed
steu, at 2016-12-26 17:11:10, said:
amazing!! a beautiful tree
sarevok, at 2022-04-25 23:31:37, edited at 2022-04-30 02:52:08, said:
Koutar, I wanna ask you about the picea abieses in romania.

Vinca Veche. During research, a romanian discovered a spruce which is 62.5 meters high and maybe is the tallest in Romania at present. The measurements were performed with a digital ultrasonic hypsometer. The previous record is a 61.5 meter long spruce in the Penteleus forest in the Buzău area, discovered by Professor Ion Popescu-Zeletin.

Do these picea abieses still exists? where they taken down? if the spruces were measured, where they longer than the 62,26 metre spruce in slovenia? How tall were they?

sarevok, at 2022-04-26 00:45:56, said:
Koutar, i would also like to ask this question.

There is a Norway Spruce called 'Vlado' at the Perucica Forest Reserve, Sutjeska National Park, Republika Srpska, in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The top of this tree has been broken off in the past, the tree has been taller even before this happened. How tall do you think this norway spruce was before the top broke off?

sarevok, at 2022-04-26 02:35:34, edited at 2022-04-26 02:36:19, said:
koutar, third question. Norway Spruces along the river Biogradska rijeka, Biogradska Gora National Park, Montenegro, Montenegro

In two days among many spruces only 5 trees were measured with a height of over 55 m in this forest reserve, but it is not impossible there are some spruces of 60 m or more. The best way to find these is to make a LiDAR survey of the whole forest.

Have a mission been made to measure as many trees as possible there? or is there still an unexplored area there that could have norway spruces above 60 metres?

KoutaR, at 2022-04-27 14:59:40, said:
Hello sarevok! Next time please place your question under the tree/location in question.

The "62.5-metre" tree in Sinca Veche is not spruce but silver fir (Abies alba). The measurement was made by the Romanian University of Suceava. Mr. Ghircoias from the local forestry office brought me to the tree in 2019. I measured it with TruPulse 200X laser and it was only 51.7 m. Mr. Ghircoias (and I) was very disappointed. This clearly shows how unreliable the ultrasonic hypsometers are when measuring single trees, and it is incredible that still today many university researchers don't understand how an ultrasonic hypsometer functiones and why it does not give accurate tree heights. The tree is also on MT here:

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/rou/bucharest-ilfov/brasov/20789_codriisecularidelasincaveche/38921/

The researchers also "measured" a beech more than 50 m in height. I did not get an accurate height because of very dense canopy but anyway it is not much more than 40 m. However, I measured a very tall 48.10-metre beech which the researchers have not noticed at all, although it is clearly visible from the trail.

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/rou/bucharest-ilfov/brasov/20789_codriisecularidelasincaveche/41863/

I have not see the "Vlado" tree. As Jeroen, Michael and Vlado measured it, I was alone in another part of the reserve. Next year I was not there at all. So I can say nothing about the "Vlado" tree.

In Biogradska Gora, there is definitely potential for 60+ m tree and still many unexplored locations as far as I know.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2022-04-27 22:36:53, said:
Hi Sarevok,

I measured the "Vlado"spruce in 2012 and 2013. How tall it has been before the top broke off I cannot say but it is not impossible the tree originally was around 60 m tall.

Jeroen

sarevok, at 2022-04-30 02:43:36, edited at 2022-04-30 02:53:31, said:
Ok, thanks for answers all. But, Kouta, what do you you think of the western russian forest? or ukraine or belarus? shouldn't there be a norway spruce there longer than 62 metres? Have no laser-scans been made there with airplanes to find high tops of trees there?
KoutaR, at 2022-04-30 16:32:39, said:
Western Russia and and Belarus are colder or/and more continental. The height potential of Norway spruce there is probably like that in Bialowieza at most, i.e. slightly over 50 m. The Ukrainian Carpathians could have potential to ~60 m. I am not aware of laser-scan data. In many European countries the data is not freely available.
sarevok, at 2022-05-13 00:59:21, edited at 2022-05-13 01:05:06, said:
yeah, laser-scans are not freely available in some countries. but in montenegro and bosnia they should do laser-scans and give them freely to people. I would seriously guess there is a norway spruce there that is higher than Sgermova Smreka. Wouldn't you guess that?

I also read somewhere that a picea abies that was 62 metres high had fallen in bosnia, is this true? if so, that was not a tree very far away in height compared to sgermova smreka.

Jeroen, kouta.

KoutaR, at 2022-05-13 07:32:33, said:
It's possible. "InSearchOfGiants" reported one tree in Croatia with a broken top that according to him has likely been taller than Sgermova Smreka in the past.

With a fallen 62-metre spruce in Bosnia, you likely mean the tallest of the "three sisters" in Perucica. Very unreliable height. The other two "sisters" were much lower than the park administration claimed. In addition, Prof. Leibundgut and Prof. Pintaric reported a 63-metre spruce in Perucica, Bosnia. (It was not the "sister" because they described an entirely different growing site.) However, also this measurement is very unreliable for two reasons. Firstly, as is old, from the fifties, it has definitely been done with tangent method which usually results in over-measurements. Secondly, the figures by Leibundgut & Pintaric are unreliable anyway because they give different numbers in each of their publications.

sarevok, at 2022-05-17 23:27:20, edited at 2022-05-18 00:50:17, said:
How high did he think it was before the top was broken off?

kouta, i sent this question to that guy u mentioned too.

and why not make a lase-scan of high tree-points in that forest where he found such a tree?

KoutaR, at 2022-05-18 05:38:36, said:
It's this tree:

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/hrv/adriatic/likasenj/29039_jezera/53875/

Read the description. I think there are not equally tall trees in that reserve. It is a relatively small reserve and the rangers likely know it well. Thus, a laser scan would not help.

sarevok, at 2022-05-18 17:47:23, edited at 2022-05-18 23:42:27, said:
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sarevok, at 2022-05-18 23:43:43, edited at 2022-05-18 23:44:05, said:
kouta, I guess this is the last question. It has been interesting.

In what year was the top broken off from that epic tree that maybe was taller than the sgerm-spruce?

sarevok, at 2022-05-19 23:05:40, said:
and a pity the tree wasn't measured before the top broke off of the tree.
sarevok, at 2024-03-10 04:10:58, said:
well kouta, I thank you for the answer, but I think you are wrong about the Norway spruce in Estonia. You said it is probably is the same height today as in 2015.

Extremely tall norway spruces in scandinavia usually grow about 0.2 meters per year. So i would guess the spruce is 50.4 meters tall today. What do you say to that?

KoutaR, at 2024-03-10 21:24:41, said:
If the tallest spruces in Scandinavia grow 0,2 m/year they are 70 m in 100 years. In 1000 years they are already 250 m tall.
sarevok, at 2024-03-12 02:27:07, said:
Well, I obviously meant that the tallest spruces grow 0.2 meters per year for about 13 years. I Thought you understood that I'm not that stupid.

Anyhow my friend, I would really thank you if you could travel to Estonia and measure the talles norway spruce and scots pine in Estonia. Has the Norway spruce in Estonia finally become taller than 50 metres?

sarevok, at 2024-03-18 22:57:40, said:
Hi Mr Koutar! How old would you say thne the norwway spruce in Estonia is today? The one that was measured in 2015.

And how old do you think the scots pine is? The one that was measured in 2015.

KoutaR, at 2024-03-19 09:52:44, said:
I don't know. I haven't seen them.

Could we end this discussion under the large Sitka spruce. These topics have nothing to do with the American Sitka spruce. If you want to discuss about the Estonian trees, please go to the Estonian spruce or pine and click "Comment" (top right).

Regards

Kouta


Barky98, at 2024-03-18 19:23:42, said:
A better pic of the remains of the stump, taken 18th March 2024. Manna Ash, Fraxinus ornus, to the right (possibly also at risk as it's grafted on to Fraxinus excelsior).
Conifers, at 2024-03-19 01:11:27, said:
Thanks! Even better if you can get a pic taken from directly above.

But looking at the front edge of the stump, appearing all twisted, I'm suspecting more it may have blown down before it was cut. The decay in the entire central area is very obvious.


sarevok, at 2023-04-19 13:25:32, said:
@Harli Jürgenson Hello, Can you make a new measurement on this nice tree?

I guess that this tree is 50,2 metres tall today.

sarevok, at 2024-03-18 22:55:09, said:
How old is this tree?????

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StefanC1, at 2024-03-17 16:54:44, said:
https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/aut/niederosterreich/wienumgebung/4788_donau/10495/

Fotos habe ich auf die Homepage unter dem Baum gestellt



Herkos62, at 2024-03-17 15:57:21, said:
De omtrek is niet te meten op 1,30 of 1,50 meter omdat de stam zich op ongeveer 1,20 meter vertakt in twee dikke stammen. Op ongeveer 70 cm, net onder de splising heeft de stam een omtrek van 3,20 meter. De dikste stam heeft net boven de splitsing een omtrek van 2,70 meter

Barky98, at 2024-03-15 14:28:28, said:
The stump of the champion Macedonian Pine at Stourhead felled in the winter of 2023-24. Sorry it's not a better photo - I assumed somebody would have already mentioned it - this iimage was just in the background of a family snap.
Conifers, at 2024-03-15 21:49:38, said:
Extensive decay in the centre there, just a ring of sapwood. With the decay likely going down well into the roots, so not safe, sadly.
Stephen Verge, at 2024-03-17 10:54:12, said:
Sad. Health and safety as usual! Perhaps we should stop driving cars equally dangerous!! 2700 killed on UK roads each year. How many trees fall on people in UK which are fatal? 10 per year perhaps?!
Conifers, at 2024-03-17 15:15:35, said:
Would certainly be interesting to hear from the gardens management. At the moment, we don't even know whether it broke apart in a storm or not, before the stump was cleared.

A hollow cylinder of a trunk is still strong, but if it becomes a forked hollow down into the roots or up into large branches, there are very weak points where it is liable to break up.


DBZT, at 2024-03-17 11:44:47, said:
En quoi cet arbre est-il multitronc ???


DBZT, at 2024-03-17 10:32:48, said:
Dans le tableau des cèdres de l'Atlas, un spécimen apparaît en tête (circ. 10 ,40 m ; h. 29 m) dans le Jardin Massey à Tarbes. Cet arbre n'existe pas. Le plus gros est celui de Jurançon (circ. env. 9 m).


Barky98, at 2024-03-15 14:10:49, said:
This tree was felled by the National Trust some time in the winter of 2023-2024. It was one of the earliest exotic plantings at Stourhead, apparently. "By far the largest in the country" according to their old tree list. Perhaps now one of the biggest stumps!


Kuolgs, at 2024-03-14 21:32:11, said:
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Arbre classé "remarquable" par la ville de Paris (environ 200 sujets sur une base de données de 200 000 arbres)

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Tree classified as “remarkable” by the city of Paris (around 200 such trees among a database of 200,000 trees)


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Stephen Verge, at 2024-03-13 11:30:31, said:
Hi all

A very interesting article below.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.230603

I personally believe that longevity of Giant Sequoia in its native habitat, will unlikely be reached in the UK? Partly due to evidence of observing decay in felled trees over 130 years in the heartwood, on some trees. Caused by Heterobasidion annosum and root death caused by Armillaria. But there maybe exceptions?

Apparently there are now more mature Sequoiadendon in the UK than in their native habitat. With a possible 500,000 UK specimens, the gene pool could provide a valuable resource for reintroduction to its native habitat in the distant future?

However with Sequoia sempervirens it appears no decaying fungi present in the UK are adapted to attacking it. So perhaps as it is even better suited to the UK climate and increasingly so with climate change. Subsequently it may outlive/outgrow Sequoiadendron?


Conifers, at 2024-03-13 14:44:14, edited at 2024-03-13 14:44:43, said:
Doesn't strike me as a very good article; spotted several points in a quick glance:

* Abstract: the "half million" trees in UK is both species, all ages (including newly planted); figures for California are only S. giganteum, mature trees - probably only those older than any in UK counted?

* Abstract: "We show that UK-grown S. giganteum can sequester carbon at a rate of 85 kg yr⁻¹ varying with climate, management and age" - with no per-area cited, this is meaningless! Per square metre? Per hectare? Per square km? Per tree?

* Introduction: "Sequoiadendron giganteum groves in California also have the highest AGB of any ecosystem in the world [4]" . . . wrong, it's S. sempervirens, as confirmed by their own reference #4!

* Fig 3: "For comparison, data are shown for the same period from Sequoia National Park, CA, United States, a key S. giganteum site. Given the elevation (>3000 m), the latter site is far colder overall with significant winter snowfall" . . . errm., >2000 m! Checked: 'General Sherman' is at 2100 m. Gymnosperm Database gives 900-2700 m for the species' overall range.

And yes, I'd agree that S. sempervirens is much the better adapted for high carbon sequestration in UK. As well as less liable to disease, it is much better adapted to our climate, self-seeding, which S. giganteum doesn't.


Stephen Verge, at 2024-03-13 21:45:08, said:
I only had a brief read conifers but it did sound interesting. Errors often creep in!

The scans of the trees I had not seen before. Crucially though a very limited sample of Giant Sequoias were studied and perhaps not the best specimens/sites in the UK either!

Regarding natural regeneration of Giant Sequoia in the UK. Seed can be at least 50% viable but as you know I am sure, the absence of the Chickaree and beetle which severs the stem to the cone causing cones to dry and shed seed, it remains problematic for natural regen. However cone fall from high winds with seeds settling on bare mineral soil, perhaps could germinate, but have never seen it yet. Also most of the mature trees in the UK are not in full cone production yet either.

Whereas Coast Redwood is now germinating prolifically in the UK. I put this down to the lack of -10c frosts now as opposed to 40 years ago. Allowing trees to flower, also frosts not killing small seedlings.

Giant Sequoia is doomed in the UK if humans were to vanish!


Conifers, at 2024-03-14 01:58:46, said:
Thanks! Giant Sequoia cones do open quite readily in Britain, I've frequently found fallen open cones that were empty of seed by the time they'd fallen, and often seen brown open cones in the crowns of trees. UK specimens do also cone profusely, there's no problems there. I think its problems with regenerating here are more due to lack of suitable seedbed conditions - thick leaf litter, and intense competition from herbs & grasses in our much wetter summers compared to California's mountains. If it is going to regenerate anywhere in Europe, the places to look would be places that mimic its home environment better. High altitudes in the mountains of southern Spain or Italy would be my prediction; perhaps also the Atlas Mountains in Morocco.

Alberto C F, at 2024-03-14 13:43:14, said:
No please! don't let your prediction come true. The redwoods are very beautiful in California!


sarevok, at 2024-03-09 19:08:39, edited at 2024-03-10 02:51:17, said:
so it was 44.4 metres in 2011 you say?

And now it is 46.7 meters?

Haavar, don't worry i'll go and check with my dad if the trees are alive. We couldn't go there during the winter. But now to the summer we can.

it doesn't look hard to measure them, but i'll leave that to you since you do this a bit better than us.

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-11 14:21:06, edited at 2024-03-11 22:06:58, said:
Hi, sadly the 46.7 meter one is logged today (checked in newer aearial photo). The 44,4 is another spruce, that is also gone today. Almost every spruce is either gone or dead, also including the second tallest in the area. The area got attacked by bark beetles alteast twice. The pines (atleast the tallest one) seems to be still standing and alive though!
sarevok, at 2024-03-11 22:37:55, edited at 2024-03-12 00:36:08, said:
oh ok! good to hear the very tall pine is left.

What about the third tallest tree of the area, the one spruce that was 45.10 metres tall, is it also gone?

Uhmm was this tree 45.10 metres in 2011, or do you mean it was 45.10 metres in 2022?

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-12 12:51:35, said:
All trees are measured in 2022, but street view photos are from 2011. No newer street view available. Yes, all the tallest spruces are either dead or have falled / been logged.

sarevok, at 2024-03-09 22:39:45, said:
When did this tree die? Since you don't tell us when it died, we can't be sure if it sometime in the past was taller than the styggvangrana spruce.

Love Sarevok

Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-11 14:36:42, said:
Hi, these trees died somewhere between 2013 and 2019. It was for likely taller right before it died (compared to Styggvanngrana's height back then, which shouldve been around 46-47,5 in that span). Could try to find out more exact date of when these trees died.
sarevok, at 2024-03-11 22:49:09, said:
Yeah why not try, tree heights are interesting for us.
Haavar Bunes, at 2024-03-12 12:49:30, said:
I've asked, no answer yet.

Arboreal4real, at 2024-03-12 01:22:27, said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7013775,-97.4528309,3a,42.5y,259.07h,80.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN4wPWBeZDj70KbSzKMS8DA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu shows the tree no longer there as of november 2023

Conifers, at 2024-03-12 02:00:13, said:
If you look at the 2022 footage, it looks like it died, perhaps drought, or winter cold without snow cover to protect the roots.


Arboreal4real, at 2024-03-12 01:21:53, said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7013775,-97.4528309,3a,42.5y,259.07h,80.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN4wPWBeZDj70KbSzKMS8DA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu It appears that sadly, Brian's tree was gone by November 2023. He seems to have switched to trying to raise a more climate-appropriate sycamore for his botanical legacy on the property.


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Arboreal4real, at 2024-03-12 01:20:48, said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7013775,-97.4528309,3a,42.5y,259.07h,80.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN4wPWBeZDj70KbSzKMS8DA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu was taken November 2023 and it appears that sadly Brian's tree is no longer there. He appears to have switched to attempting a more climate-appropriate sycamore as his legacy.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-11 18:36:43, said:
Beautiful trees. The bark looks very white in this photo, which is a slight indication for the closely-related E. viminalis (but that is seldom so straight when grown in Britain). The only sure way of separating the two seems to be that juvenile leaves of E. dalrympleana are roundish while those of E. viminalis are narrow and lanceolate, but a tree of this size may no longer be bearing any juvenile foliage.

The long straight trunk with such long hanging ribbons is also a feature of E. nitens, but I'm assuming you found flower-buds/fruit under this one (in 3s not 6s and 7s)?

Aidan, at 2024-03-11 21:50:06, said:
Yes, very white bark, especially in the afternoon sun. The hanging ribbons of bark are probably the best of any Eucalyptus I've seen so far. I have a few more photos which I will send you in my full list of trees around the Shamley Green area. I couldn't find any juvenile leaves. The flower buds were I believe in 3s (though it wouldn't be a bad idea to go back at some point and double check), so I think its most likely a particularly shaggy barked E. dalrympleana.

Aidan, at 2024-03-10 23:55:44, said:
Not a particularly 'monumental' tree, so added at least temporarily until I am sure of identification. I am 99% sure it is 'Accolade' due to the early flowering season and the semi double flowers. What are people's thoughts?
Conifers, at 2024-03-11 12:59:04, said:
I asked Mick Crawley on twitter who knows his cherries, and he said 'Accolade' too 👍
Aidan, at 2024-03-11 21:13:34, said:
Excellent, thanks. I'll change it now.

DBZT, at 2024-03-11 19:41:46, said:
150 cm in one year !!!


sarevok, at 2024-03-11 01:45:15, said:
Great picture.

JosefPapi, at 2024-03-10 21:59:36, said:
Reading the inscription this should be Crataegus laevigata (C. oxyacantha in the inscription), not C. monogyna

Conifers, at 2024-03-11 01:39:27, said:
Agree, and done - thanks for spotting this! 👍


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-03-10 16:12:23, said:
Hi Tim,

Bij de bomen wordt steeds aangegeven hoe oud hij is. Dat is mooi. Maar bij een boom die gekapt is loopt de leeftijdtelling door. Kun je daar wellicht iets op verzinnen?

Zie bijvoorbeeld deze: https://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/nld/zuidholland/rotterdam/4210_crooswijk/9764/

Groet

Wim


Tim, at 2024-03-10 17:11:49, said:
Ah ja, goede suggestie.

Daar had ik inderdaad niet aan gedacht.

Dat valt inderdaad op te lossen, ik bekijk het eens.

Groeten,

Tim



Maarten Windemuller, at 2024-03-09 21:46:17, said:
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sarevok, at 2024-03-09 20:54:02, edited at 2024-03-09 20:55:43, said:
snyggt! Kan du ge mig kordinaterna på var de hög ner gräsmarkgranen som var 47.2 meter och gärna säga vad platsen heter också.

torsbygranen som var 47 meter höggs ner nära torsby, jag tror jag redan ser på kartan var torsbygranen en stod.


dennisp2, at 2024-03-09 14:52:26, said:
De weggerotte stronk linksonder (wel verbonden met de onderstam) heb ik niet meegenomen in mijn omtrekmeting

djes, at 2024-03-09 06:30:32, said:
Photo du 4 mars 2024

Conifers, at 2024-03-01 15:28:02, said:
Another tree that should be listed as multi-stem 👍
Stephen Verge, at 2024-03-01 21:36:57, said:
I agree with this one Conifers. Clear evidence of forking/occluded bark and subsequent multi stems from ground level,
HerrMoritz, at 2024-03-05 20:45:27, said:
I have now changed it to multi-stemmed. 👍
Conifers, at 2024-03-05 21:36:36, said:
Danke!

Jettenberge, at 2024-03-04 19:08:32, said:
Goedenavond,

Ik zie in het tekstje dat WB wel iemand wil rondleiden in het landengebied in het Zuiderpark. Dat zou ik graag willen! Ik ben biologiedocent en probeer wat opdrachten te verzinnen in het Zuiderpark voor klas 1. Als ik zelf wat meer weet over de bomen, kan ik er interessantere vragen bij verzinnen.

Vriendelijke groet,

Jet


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-03-05 10:01:07, said:
Beste Jet,

Ik ben die WB. Ik kom al jaren in het Zuiderpark en weet hoe handig het is als iemand wat basis-info verstrekt. Anders dwaal je er maar rond en weet je niet waar te beginnen. Je kunt contact met me leggen via wbrinkerinkatgmail.com. (Ik schrijf mijn exacte mailadres niet op om vervelende lieden te vermijden). Overigens lijkt het me verstamdig om te gaan kijken wanneer de blaadjes aan de bomen verschijnen, maar als het moet kan het ook zonder.

Nog een tip; in het verleden gaf de dienst Groenbeheer van de gemeente Den Haag een gratis boekje uit over het arboretum. Ik weet niet of dat nog steeds gebeurt, maar je kunt het proberen.

https://www.vriendenvandenhaag.nl/actualiteit/bomentuin-met-695-soorten-in-zuiderpark-blijft-bijzonder

Vriendelijke groet

Wim Brinkerink



ronald1, at 2024-03-05 09:55:21, said:
De kleinere broer van de "dikke " paardenkastanje die zich moest gaan bewijzen is om welke reden dan ook, ook geveld. Of er is gebleken dat ie misschien ook ziek is geweest of om een andere reden niet veilig meer was of misschien zelfs door de laatste storm is geveld is mij een raadsel, feit is dat de laatste boom van een vroegere oude kastanjelaan er ook niet meer is. Heel jammer.

olafloberg, at 2023-12-30 17:20:03, said:
Wisited 29. desember 2023 after a walk from Kruje
roburpetraea, at 2024-03-04 22:42:10, said:
Beautiful tree!

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-02 17:23:30, said:
What a baeuty!.
Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-02 17:27:54, said:
Some people say that this is the biggest live oak in the USA, because other big ones are mutistemmed. This one is according to them the biggest one-stem tree. I utter some caution. Live oak usually develops as apparently "multistemmed". Not allways the case.
roburpetraea, at 2024-03-04 22:41:39, said:
Incredible oak!

Conifers, at 2024-03-04 22:10:02, said:
Looks nice! Taxonomic update: Hard Fern is now Struthiopteris spicant, with Blechnum restricted to New World species (ref.).

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TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-01 15:41:50, said:
Hi Owen,

Do you know of any Bunya Bunya pines in uk that are mature with there final shape?

Mistake me if im wrong, but did you write the collins tree guide because if you did, on one of the pages, it shows a bunya pine.

I have been searching for one for a few months now with no luck.

Where did you find a full grown one with a mature shape?


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-01 19:39:54, said:
I don't know which Bunya-bunya Pine David based his painting on for the Tree Guide, but it can't have been in Britain. There were a couple of old records of mature trees in Cornwall, the larger of them 11m tall at Glendurgan in 1965, but the identification is in some doubt and the cold winters of the 1970s and 1980s put paid to them anyway.

Currently, there are a few young tree showing good promise, including a replacement at Glendurgan which I should be revisiting this spring. One in a group of nine at Mount Stewart in Co. Down was 10.4m tall by 2018 (not my record). There is even a small crowded sapling surviving in the Chelsea Physic Garden in London.


TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-01 21:44:04, said:
Do you have a photo of Mount Stewart in Co. Down Bunya pine?

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-01 21:45:15, said:
Or even just where it is on the map.

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-01 21:45:39, said:
Also one more small question. Do you know of any para pines in uk that have mature full grown shape?

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-01 22:08:10, said:
Also how did you know about the bunya pines, Is there a website that tells you everything and which gardens have which trees?

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-03-03 18:12:18, said:
Hello Theo,

The grid reference for the group of Araucaria bidwillii at Mount Stewart is J5547870049. You can visualise that by pasting it into the grid reference field at https://irish.gridreferencefinder.com/.

Parana Pine Araucaria angustifolia grows rather slowly with us, but there are a few which I'd say were semi-mature. There are some pictures of these at https://www.treesandshrubsonline.org/articles/araucaria/araucaria-angustifolia/.

I'm the (volunteer) Registrar for the Tree Register, www.treeregister.org, which aspires to be a comprehensive database at least for rare trees like these. The online interactive database has a paywall, meaning that details like these won't show on a ordinary Google search. (This is partly because many of the trees are in private gardens where owners don't want indiscriminate publicity, and membership subscriptions also cover the costs of maintaining the Register.) For anyone with a deep interest in trees, becoming a member is well worthwhile.

Owen


Conifers, at 2024-03-03 21:22:52, said:
Interesting aside, that Trees & Shrubs Online give A. angustifolia the English name Brazilian Monkey-puzzle; a much better choice than calling it a pine, which of course it isn't.

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-03 21:29:52, said:
Thank you so much!

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-03 21:34:15, said:
Yes, Brazilian Monkey puzzle is much better.

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-03 21:35:02, said:
Key gardens also has a bunya pine thats about 10 feet tall in the temperate green house. I saw it my self.

TheoLovesTrees11, at 2024-03-03 21:37:26, said:
And now I think about Kew Gardens also has a para pine I remember seeing a few months ago, It was about 7-8 feet tall, I can't give an exact hight since of didn't bring my Nikon forestry pro.


Robo, at 2024-03-03 21:07:28, said:
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visscher52, at 2024-03-03 10:08:36, said:
Het stamschot op deze foto is later verwijderd en vervangen door een Haagbeukenhaag achter de boom. Zie overige foto's.

Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-27 22:00:08, said:
Uploaded Owen

What is most interesting is that this is a second planting of Douglas here, after the previous 1905 stand was partially felled pre 1948.

The remaining 1905 trees were exposed on the plateau and stood out for miles. With a max height of 37m. The younger circa 1948 trees rapidly grew and overtook the older trees to 40-47m. Now the older trees live in their shadows! Now the older trees are growing in height again due to shelter and reducing transpirational stress.

The topsy turvy world of tree growth!


Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-27 22:05:04, said:
So grown 3m in the last 7 years. Not bad. Has a good leader too.


Nardo Kaandorp, at 2024-02-27 21:25:03, said:
Heksenbezem noemen ze zoiets volgens mij
AlfredHuizinga, at 2024-02-27 21:39:13, said:
Dank je, ik kon niet op het woord komen

Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-23 21:16:04, said:
Hi Owen

I measured the height of the Whitebeam I showed you. Recent thinning has given a better window for height measurement. Luckily this tree was left untouched.

Anyway 23.3m to the highest visible twig with laser on the tripod, so your vertical measurement was close.

Must be one of the tallest in UK? I hope to compare this with the one in Chesham Bois Wood soon.

I found a slightly higher twig on the nearby Wych Elm too @ 27.7m on the eastern stem.

So within 3km in this valley, one of the tallest Whitebeams, one of the tallest remaining Wych Elms in southern England and 2 Douglas Firs one we measured @46.3m and another recent tree nearby of 47.4m (Probably tallest tree in Home counties).


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-02-24 18:33:01, said:
That will make it the tallest measured.

Will you be adding that new Douglas Fir to this site? In the Warburg Nature Reserve, again?


Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-25 12:58:18, said:
Thanks Owen that's great news. Do add it to your newsletter if you so wish.

The planted 1948 Douglas Fir some 3km from the Whitebeam are in fact on top of the Chiltern plateau on acid soil at about 140m od. Quite a few are over 43m, with at least a dozen 45m, in a plantation, still adding height. I will upload soon.

Another stand in the South Oxfordshire Chilterns has trees to near 48m. Quite a few to 46-47m. Hope to return to do a more thorough investigation.

Now with more accurate laser measurement one could almost draw contour lines on the country indicating max conifer tree height potential from TROBI records? Certainly moving north and east into the Midlands most conifers of 40m would be almost absent. Whereas to the south and west and northwest increasing tree height where shelter allows to over 60m.


Conifers, at 2024-02-25 17:33:43, said:
Tallest Common Whitebeam globally, not just in UK! An excellent find 👍

Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-26 20:28:08, said:
Thanks all.

It is gratifying to find a champ!

Although I would be surprised its the world's tallest but who knows?

I will revisit to find its age sometime. The wood was planted at the same time as the Whitebeam so we can have a potential planting date too. Recent thinning work has been undertaken and it could have been quite easily felled!!

But as of no commercial value it stands. I seem to recall surrounding trees date to around mid to late 1930's on a ring count nearby.

Owen:-

Do you have any coordinates for the Whitebeam in Chesham Bois Wood, Bucks? I would like to find and remeasure with laser to compare. Thanks


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-02-27 19:57:52, said:
The whitebeam at Chesham Bois was around SP96040020, near fence and footpath at top corner of the Woodland Trust reserve and forking at 1.5m. This was back in 2001 (David Alderman's record), so no guarantee that it's still there.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-02-27 20:29:58, said:
Here for general interest is a list of the tallest conifer recorded for each county in England (and excluding Essex and the Isle of Wight where only short conifers have been recorded). Demonstrating Stephen's point but also showing that soil is important (good soils on the Bedfordshire greensand, no good soils at all in Lancashire?).

Apologies for the poorly formatted list. Someone might be able to edit it to straighten the columns, I can't.

County Ht/m Year Genus name Species name Property name

Bedfordshire 44 2023 Sequoiadendron giganteum Woburn Abbey

Berkshire 42.5 2017 Sequoiadendron giganteum Wellingtonia Avenue, Finchamstead

Buckinghamshire 47.5 2014 Abies grandis Dropmore

Cheshire 39 2014 Sequoiadendron giganteum Cholmondeley Castle

Cornwall 46.7 2014 Picea sitchensis Tregrehan

Cumbria 57.8 2013 Abies grandis Skelghyll Woods

Derbyshire 50.6 2018 Picea sitchensis Ladybower Reservoir

Devon 54.5 2017 Sequoiadendron giganteum Knightshayes

Dorset 46 2022 Abies alba Minterne House

Durham 56 2016 Abies grandis Hamsterley Forest, Weardale

East Riding of Yorkshire 40.8 2016 Pseudotsuga menziesii Sledmere

East Sussex 47.3 2021 Sequoiadendron giganteum Beauport Park

Gloucestershire 59.5 2015 Pseudotsuga menziesii Dean: Sutton Bottom

Greater London 38 2023 Sequoiadendron giganteum Grim's Dyke Hotel, Harrow Weald

Hampshire 55.7 2021 Pseudotsuga menziesii New Forest: Holidays Hill Inclosure

Herefordshire 61 2023 Pseudotsuga menziesii Hergest Croft

Hertfordshire 40 2014 Pinus nigra subsp. laricio Brocket Hall

Kent 46.4 2019 Sequoiadendron giganteum Benenden School

Lancashire 40 2019 Picea sitchensis Slaidburn

Lincolnshire 44 2019 Pseudotsuga menziesii Woodhall Spa

Norfolk 47 2014 Abies grandis Weasenham Woods

North Yorkshire 55.2 2022 Sequoiadendron giganteum Sawley estate: Picking Gill

Northamptonshire 40 2014 Sequoiadendron giganteum Althorp Park

Northumberland 62 2022 Pseudotsuga menziesii Cragside, Rothbury

Nottinghamshire 40 2015 Sequoiadendron giganteum Perlethorpe

Oxfordshire 47.4 2024 Pseudotsuga menziesii Near Nettlebed

Rutland 38 1979 Sequoiadendron giganteum Exton Hall (Rutland)

Shropshire 55 2022 Pseudotsuga menziesii Sowdley Wood, Clun

Somerset 61.2 2017 Pseudotsuga menziesii Dunster Woodlands

South Yorkshire 41 2019 Picea sitchensis Ewden Village

Staffordshire 46 2003 Pseudotsuga menziesii Patshull Hall

Suffolk 40 2011 Sequoiadendron giganteum Nacton

Surrey 58.2 2015 Pseudotsuga menziesii Polecat Copse, Haslemere

Warwickshire 42.2 2013 Sequoiadendron giganteum Compton Verney

West Sussex 52 2016 Sequoiadendron giganteum Nymans

West Yorkshire 41 2020 Abies grandis Chevin Forest Park

Wiltshire 58 2016 Sequoiadendron giganteum Longleat: Center Parcs

Worcestershire 53 2021 Pseudotsuga menziesii Wyre Forest


Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-27 21:12:55, said:
Thank you very much Owen for that, very interesting. I can almost draw max tree height on contours on a map of England now in my head.

But perhaps not yet as some are still growing, some faster than others. I never thought Douglas would approach 50m in South Oxfordshire on the Chiltern Plateau however!

One thing might prevent us from ever knowing what the max height can be attained, maybe the fact that how many of these tall trees are standing in isolation, exposed to wind and max transpirational stress etc as opposed standing in a large block for example in a plantation?


Conifers, at 2024-02-27 21:25:14, said:
@ Owen - fascinating list, thanks! But it deserves better visibility than a side-step in a discussion about a Sorbus aria photo. Can you repost as a separate thread, please?


Conifers, at 2024-02-27 13:59:29, said:
Would be good to see some close-up photos of the foliage, but can't see any reason why not Abies alba.

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omistokoud, at 2024-02-26 20:14:30, said:
lectori salutem

ik heb een boom aan Ruiterpad 2c ingevoerd maar zie hem niet in het overzicht

enig idee?

we willen op boomfeestdag 20/3 de 2 basisscholen aan het boommeten zetten via uw website, mag dat?

u zult wel een en ander moet deleten maar het is wel inspiritueel....

mocht dit tot kosten voor u leiden verneem ik dat graag, ik heb er minimaal een Renswowse boomtaart voor over, vers thuisbezorgd.....

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Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-19 22:18:40, said:
A remarkable tree discovered recently.

This must surely rank as the record for growth for the species in the UK?

Conditions must be ideal for this species to reach this size in only circa 135 years.

Typically trees would need 200+ years to reach this size.

A clear indication that the largest trees are not necessarily the oldest!


Conifers, at 2024-02-19 22:45:20, said:
Remember to tag it as a multistem tree, though - those stem centres will continue to close to ground level: it will have two pith centres well below measuring height.

Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-20 08:47:46, said:
Hi Conifers

Very difficult to say it has 3 pith centres. There is a strong union at 1.8m. More noticeable from the other side. This is where I suspect it forked when young sadly. From below this point I suspect its a single stem.

This tree has certainly grown faster than any in A. Mitchell's records. Examples include 3.43m in 104 years, a rate of growth half of this tree! Agree girth growth would be faster in this tree due to reaction wood below fork etc.

A classic example of how trees grow faster than most people realise and contradicts some claims that large trees are generally very old. Its the growing environment that counts!


Conifers, at 2024-02-20 12:30:39, said:
Thanks! I'd still say multistem; if it was single stem below the level of the join, the join would be much more U-shaped to a narrower base below the fork, than the V-shape it is. And importantly, the forking is affecting the girth at measuring height, which is what the forking tag is about, "the girth can be larger than what would be expected of the tree of this age": if it didn't have that fork, its girth would be smaller (and more in line with other similar-aged Horse-chestnuts).

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-02-21 20:27:04, said:
Conifers, like Superman, have X-Ray vision and see through three feet of wood at what height the tree forked.

Conifers, at 2024-02-22 00:19:17, said:
😂😂😂

But yes, there is some predictability in the laying down of multiple concentric layers of new wood.


Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-22 09:44:27, said:
An analysis of the main stem indicates that a single stem is evident up to the 1.5m level. I don't think this tree is multistemmed. If the main stems divided at ground level then yes it would be.

Yes the growth in girth has been inflated due to buttress growth and reaction wood, but perhaps by only a metre in girth or so. If dividing higher up with a greater length of clear stem, then it still would be a potential champ for growth rate. There is something special about this valley for this species:-

1) High groundwater level beneath its root system. Its at the surface at present. No drought stress!

2) Deeply rootable well drained and aerated soil profile.

3) Slightly alkaline/neutral ph of high fertility probably high Nitrogen.

Plus no builders!!!!


Conifers, at 2024-02-22 15:48:32, said:
Hi Stephen - sorry, but that just doesn't make sense! The top of the fork where the stems become separated is at about 1.8 m (at the person's head height); for it to be single stem at the pith at 1.5 m height would require the pith centres to follow the green lines in this edit of your photo below, which just isn't how trees grow. The pith centres of the trunks will approximately follow the red lines below, with the divide at or very close to ground level.



TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2024-02-24 18:39:20, said:
One thing to remember is that the 'is the tree multi-stemmed?' box on this site is a tool that was originally designed to disqualify trees from appearing on the lists of the largest (unless the user deliberately includes such trees) - i.e. the implication is that the multi-stemmed nature of the tree makes the girth measurement meaningless. An example would be if I measured a hazel bush around all the little stems near the bottom and got a very big figure.

So it does a disservice to the site when trees whose girths are only slightly exaggerated by a fork or by heavy branches are also put into that category. You could argue that a tree that forks at 3m has a larger girth as a result than one which runs for 10m before it forks - certainly the tree with the 10m bole will be the impressive one if the girth is the same, but it's not helpful to 'disqualify' the one with the shorter stem from any comparison.


Conifers, at 2024-02-24 21:29:09, said:
I'd agree 100% with Owen to "So it does a disservice to the site when trees whose girths are only slightly exaggerated by a fork or by heavy branches are also put into that category". But with this tree, it is a lot more than 'slightly' exaggerated; it's more like 50% greater than 5% greater. Heavily exaggerated, not slightly exaggerated. And that's my point!

Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-25 12:26:27, said:
Looking at the tree in question the volume and diameter growth of the 3 vertical stems without reaction wood 4m above the fork, would easily equate to a very large girth for a tree of this age. In this case I estimate a girth of 4.6-5.0m @ 1.5m, even if it forked at some 10m.

Still a potential growth record for this species. Therefore I disagree that the girth has been inflated by 50%. Other trees in this valley with single trunks have also grown very fast for the species, with single trunks.

The measurement was made at the narrowest point at 1.2m. The physiology of the tree indicates (perhaps where due to some accident the tree lost its leader) that it forked at that height, when very young. There is no evidence that the tree forks at ground level. If it did I would classify it as multi stemmed like a coppiced Hazel. There is no occluded bark which would indicate multi stems growing from ground level. It is a sound strong union. I agree the pith centres are evident above 1.2m for the near vertical limbs. With the fusing strong union above 1.2m increasing the height of the vertical trunk length.

I am exhausted!!!



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Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-01-12 14:27:07, said:
Tim,

Op 12-1-2024 tussen 6:16 en 9;57 zijn er een stel vreemde gebruikers bijgekomen. ALs je op info bij hun account kijkt zie je dat het spammers zijn. Geen serieus volk.


RobertCockroft, at 2024-02-15 21:02:08, said:
Similarly, there has been a rush of gas engineers joining up today (not that there is anything wrong with gas engineers). Can the bots do any real harm in this community or can we safely ignore them?

Conifers, at 2024-02-15 22:29:04, said:
I noticed that too, plus a whole lot of "hvac" numbers. The potential for damage I see is that some day you'll find there are 2,000 spam posts advertising junk in the discussions, and/or with links that could compromise your computer's security if visited. Possibly other problems, I don't know.

Conifers, at 2024-02-16 17:01:21, said:
And today a whole set of fake "pest controllers" joining. Something very odd happening here, time to block the lot of them.

From the 'Recent changes' log:

14:13 pestcontrol319 has registered as a new user.

13:31 pestcontrol217 has registered as a new user.

13:03 pestcontrol634 has registered as a new user.

12:48 pestcontrol542 has registered as a new user.

12:31 pestcontrol839 has registered as a new user.

12:13 pestcontrol933 has registered as a new user.

11:55 pestcontrol208 has registered as a new user.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-16 17:05:12, edited at 2024-02-16 17:06:45, said:
Tim can see what mailadres and IP adres is connected, so he is able to see if someone is preparing events we don't like.

Conifers, at 2024-02-16 17:53:26, said:
Yep - the difficulty is, does it become too much work to keep an eye on? It will presumably need vigilance 24 hours per day?

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-16 18:15:25, said:
Essentially it's not a problem as long as intruders cannot do too much damage. If they just want to spread a message no one reads there is no problem. It's essential that Tim can install guards. Dont think they can do much harm as long as Tim facilitates daily backups.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-16 18:21:03, said:
When I led the happenings descend and I've incorporated them, I think it's not so easy. Someone might build an army of trolls that, when acting together and coördinated, can inflict serious damage. Tim must have an opinion about it. I'm curious about it.

Tim, at 2024-02-21 09:13:14, said:
Yes, these are spam users. There is a check I wrote years ago that stops much more than are currently registering. I will have to revise that and send all users through that new scan.

As long as these are not posting spam messages or start editing, this is not very harmful.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-24 19:06:51, said:
If you check the guy and have a look at his/her info you see that it is someone who doesn't have any idea how to market his or hers business.


Strawberrytii, at 2024-02-24 02:49:05, said:
Does anyone know what happened to the "Highwayman"? My parents went by there today (February 23rd, 2024), and stopped along a small bit of the trail adjacent, but saw no sign of it. I checked a different site¹ and it has nothing but a comment from October 7th, 2023 asking the same thing.

¹ https://bctreehunter.wordpress.com/2021/07/21/a-visit-to-the-highwayman/



Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-23 21:16:04, said:
Hi Owen

I measured the height of the Whitebeam I showed you. Recent thinning has given a better window for height measurement. Luckily this tree was left untouched.

Anyway 23.3m to the highest visible twig with laser on the tripod, so your vertical measurement was close.

Must be one of the tallest in UK? I hope to compare this with the one in Chesham Bois Wood soon.

I found a slightly higher twig on the nearby Wych Elm too @ 27.7m on the eastern stem.

So within 3km in this valley, one of the tallest Whitebeams, one of the tallest remaining Wych Elms in southern England and 2 Douglas Firs one we measured @46.3m and another recent tree nearby of 47.4m (Probably tallest tree in Home counties).



DBZT, at 2024-02-23 20:29:47, said:
Difficile de dire si c'est un multi-tronc. J'aurais tendance à voir un arbre unique, dont les branches (ou ''troncs'' ???) se forment à partir d'au moins 2,50 m de hauteur au-dessus de la base inférieure du tronc (au bord de la route). Mais je préfère attendre le verdict des ''pros''...


Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-23 08:55:44, said:
Conifers:-

From my observation and evidence the red line shows where the tree forked when young. From below this line a single stem for 1.2m. I reiterate that this tree is not multi stemmed from the base. See photo.

I feel you are being a little pedantic on this. There no way to tell for sure without the tree being felled.

Stephen Verge, at 2024-02-23 08:58:16, said:
There is a clear and present strong union/single trunk with no occluded bark suggesting multi stem growing from base.
Conifers, at 2024-02-23 16:08:59, said:
Hi Stephen - I see where you're coming from, but the growth lines you have drawn, do not follow the grain of the trunk but cut across it at an angle; the ones I drew, do follow the grain. Also, by comparison with the other photo with the guy standing beside the tree, your horizontal line here is at hip height, about 1 m height or a bit lower, well below measuring height ;-)

You mention yourself (in the caption for photo 161439) that this is likely the fastest-growing Aesculus in the UK, because of its 3 massive upright limbs and associated reaction wood: but this is exactly why MT has the multi-stem disclaimer, that the tree's girth is larger than you'd expect for a single-trunk tree. You have to accept the results of your own conclusions!


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-22 21:28:34, edited at 2024-02-22 21:42:12, said:
Hi Conifers,

I appreciate your contributions on multistemmed. I can learn from it. Without good discussion no progress. But if I confirm to the way you analyze and decide if there is multistem or single, a certain tree [22964] should be classified as multistemmed. But the first person who started to live in this house planted the tree herself. It is by 100% certainty just one tree. S all respect, but being decisive on multi- or single stemmed is not often very easy, but you are aware of it.

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/nld/zuidholland/wassenaar/11764_nassaulaan3en5_prive/

Kind regards

Wim


Conifers, at 2024-02-23 15:39:54, said:
Hi Wim,

Thanks for the note! There's a big difference between multi-stem, and multi-tree! A single tree can still very easily become multi-trunk, if it has side branches, or multiple lead stems, which are not pruned. I have no problem accepting that Caucasian Wingnut (Pterocarya fraxinifolia) '22964' is a single tree; but when it was planted, some low side shoots (about a metre or a little more above the soil level) were allowed to continue growth until they became large branches, which add greatly to the girth at 1.3-1.5 m above ground. That is one very common way in which a single tree can become multi-stemmed. Hope this helps! - Michael (Conifers)



ronald1, at 2024-02-23 10:20:52, said:
Close-up van de knot.

ronald1, at 2024-02-23 10:20:30, said:
Mooi te zien. De minst omvangrijke boom met de mega knot.

ronald1, at 2024-02-23 10:19:24, edited at 2024-02-23 10:22:32, said:
Deze linde bij de "mollenkapel" bij Maasbracht is de dikste en dus waarschijnlijk oudste van de drie bomen. Voor deze geldt dus de meting van ongeveer 3,2 meter omtrek en de leeftijd van ruim 160 jaar. De twee andere bomen zijn beduidend minder omvangrijk met respectievelijk ongeveer 1,5 en 1,9 meter omtrek en een waarschijnlijke leeftijd van tegen die 100 jaar. De minst omvangrijke boom heeft wel de meest indrukwekkende knot. Deze knot is in verhouding echt 'mega'.

Tom Ameye, at 2024-02-20 12:36:30, said:
Dit zou "Bergen, Henegouwen" moeten zijn in plaats van "Grimbergen, Henegouwen"

Tim, at 2024-02-21 09:11:25, said:
Is aangepast. Bedankt voor de melding.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-17 19:01:57, said:
Op de open plek waar veel beuken staan is te zien dat beuken in Nederland nauwelijks de 200 jaar halen. In de omgeving Wassenaar waar veel oude beuken op landgoederen staan, (Voormalig koninklijk bezit) he ik de afgelopen jaren veel beuken zien sterven. Jammer dat het in zo'n grote getale gaat. Met name op de open plek in de landgoederenroute (voormalig Backershagen) is de ravage groot.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-17 18:46:06, said:
Deze boom wordt vanaf maandag 19-2-2024 gekapt.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-17 18:43:18, said:
Ik ga hem morgen meten en fotograferen. Volgende week wordt hij gekapt.


"Quercus amplifolia"
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Conifers, at 2024-02-13 11:24:49, edited at 2024-02-13 11:25:01, said:
We have one tree listed here as Quercus amplifolia. This name is listed by POWO as a synonym of Quercus pubescens, and not listed at all by the International Oak Database. Should it be moved to Quercus pubescens?

KoutaR, at 2024-02-13 13:47:53, said:
Yes, I think so

Saro Sciuto, at 2024-02-13 23:34:24, said:
Ho!Venite a studiare le Querce siciliane in Sicilia,non su Powo.

Scrivere di Quercus pubescens in Sicilia sarebbe come scrivere semplicemente quercia.

Questo link riporta al più recente studioso del genere Quercus in Sicilia,

già collaboratore con Rosario Schicchi e Francesco M. Raimondo entrambi direttori presso l'orto botanico di Palermo.

https://cambriasalvatore.wixsite.com/flora-della-sicilia/quercus-amplifolia-guss

PS. In Sicilia evitiamo di chiamare le Querce "roverella" ovvero Quercus pubescens in quanto secondo il Pignatti,

questa specie non è presente nella stessa forma che nel resto dell'Italia.

Non abbiate fretta nel prendere decisioni in merito.Bye


Conifers, at 2024-02-15 17:35:28, said:
Thanks! I'll leave it for now.

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-02-15 21:35:20, edited at 2024-02-15 21:37:14, said:
Estoy completamente de acuerdo con Saro . Sucede que como los ingleses no tienen apenas árboles autóctonos silvestres en su isla, porque los cortaron todos hace tiempo para calentarse en ese clima miserable , tienen que andar ahora, que se han quedado sin imperio y sin árboles, metiendo sus narices en los árboles de otros países pensando que aquí somos colonias y andamos en taparabos. Qué harto estoy del POWO y de los Kew Gardens!


How to get started?
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AmisDesArbres, at 2024-02-11 13:15:01, edited at 2024-02-11 13:27:35, said:
Hi everyone,

I am trying to get started with "Monumental trees.com". Unfortunately, when trying to add a new tree, I keep getting this error-note: Warning: Undefined array key "subgroup" in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/process.php on line 792 Fatal error: Uncaught TypeError: mysqli_num_rows(): Argument #1 ($result) must be of type mysqli_result, bool given in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/process.php:854 Stack trace: #0 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/process.php(854): mysqli_num_rows(false) #1 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/process.php(145): Process->procAddTree() #2 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/process.php(2661): Process->runConstructor() #3 {main} thrown in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/process.php on line 854

The tree is a Aesculus hippocastanum, with white blossoms, I don't know of any "subgroup". Besides this, I filled in all the lines in the form,even the one about when the tree was planted (which can't be said, exactly, just an estimate from old photos), and don't know what happens here. Can anybody please let me know what to do? Thanks a lot!



Wjotner, at 2024-02-10 16:02:06, said:
Hi, I'm new to the site. I'm an experienced climbing arborist interested in measuring the UK tall trees. This Beech is close to my home in Derbyshire and would love to get an accurate measurement by climbing it.

What do you think?



Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-02 19:19:49, edited at 2024-02-02 19:29:45, said:
Jammer dat het een plek is met getallen en er geen relevante foto's zijn of bewijs van het bestaan van een boom. Op deze site is het beeld (foto) toch zeer belangrijk of? Gemiste kans lijkt me. Ik snap dat Leo Goudzwaard dit ooit met een andere blik heeft geüpload. Maar nu anno 2024, kun je hier niet zonder fot'os en beeld bezig zijn. Sorry Leo, maar doe meer je best. En voor de niet kenners. Sorbus is Leo Goudzwaard.

Groet

Wim



Spooner oak in Georgia
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Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-02-02 17:36:44, said:
Hi Doug,

Thanks for registering this tree. I have changed it a bit. You tried to shield the location to protect the owner. I saw on the internet that the tree is part of a series of films on intenet. No one hesitates to show the tree and the location. So I changed things and changed location. I took care of respect to your input. It's still your registered tree (that doesn't facilitate claims by the way) and I have added some info.

KInd regards

WIm



Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-01-28 18:30:40, edited at 2024-01-28 18:31:39, said:
Dit is één van de meest opvallende beuken in Zuidholland. Mooi. Ik heb er nooit moeite voor gedaan om hem te registreren. Eén van de velen wat mij betreft. Maar, dank Gerrit dat jij dat hebt gedaan. Hij (of zij?)is het waard.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-01-28 17:22:08, said:
Jammer,

Het was een prachtboom in één van de mooiste gebieden van Rotterdam.



Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-01-26 16:33:34, said:
Als je de (uitvergrote) foto ziet zou je de boom schuin tussen 50 en 80 cm moeten meten. Maar wellicht trek je een andere conclusie als je de boom van een andere kant benadert. Altijd lastig met dit soort plastische bomen.


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Marianoalacant, at 2024-01-25 21:51:32, said:
Hola, me gustaría saber si es un árbol monumental un nisperero de 13 metros de alto


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-01-26 11:06:47, said:
Hola Mariano, si ti te parece monumental o fuera de lo normal , es monumental. Trece metros es alto para un níspero.

Marianoalacant, at 2024-01-26 14:52:07, said:
Dentro de dos años estoy seguro que alcanzara la altura de un cuarto piso,llevo 20 años viéndolo crecer y es impresionante ,eso sí el tronco es bastante fino y parece un abeto de navidad, tengo fotos pero no sé cómo subirlas ,en un rato libre miraré como subirlas


Michael NItschke, at 2024-01-18 04:51:25, said:
I am not certain of the definition for "multiple trunks". The people who handle the list in Michigan, USA indicate that they have changed how these trees are handled in the past five or six years. Using the description for "multiple trunks" from the Michigan officials, when I look at pictures for the largest US Black Cherry tree listed for the US in 2016 and the largest one in Canada for 2023, they both appear to start as individual stems at ground level that separate at some point above the ground. Do you have anyone that can make a consistent determination? I am asking this due to a tree that I had added back on 2022-12-06. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Mike

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-01-20 21:46:04, said:
Hola Mike, buenas noches. En Monumental Trees tenemos discusiones sobre el tema y existen varias opiniones al respecto. Yo considero que si hay un solo tronco que se divide por encima de 1,30 mts. no es multitronco.

Saludos.


Michael NItschke, at 2024-01-24 04:58:47, said:
So, Monumental Trees considers the definition of a single trunk if the separation is above 1.3. Is this correct?

If true, I had input the information a Black Cherry (Prunus Serotina) #58792 tree into the list back in December of 2022. It is noted to be multi-stemmed per some foresters that use different criteria. Can the entry for this tree be changed to be single-stemmed in the Monumental Trees list?

Thank you for your consideration.


Conifers, at 2024-01-24 11:30:11, said:

Conifers, at 2024-01-24 11:36:05, said:
And I'd say that is a multi-trunk tree. Although the divide into two trunks is at about 2.5 m height, the centres of each trunk will be well below measurement height. When young, the fork was close to ground level, but the stems have gradually fused as they grew in diamater. This means, as the multi-trunk citation says, "the girth can be larger than what would be expected of the tree of this age". That is what matters.

Michael NItschke, at 2024-01-24 16:32:11, said:
Thank you for the review.

I am still planning to measure the west stem of this tree. It is somewhere near 15' (over 4 meters) in girth. But it will need to be measured about 4 meters from the ground in order to get a clean measurement for girth. I expect that might still set this up for being 4th or 5th on your list.

My estimates would put this tree around 300 years old.

Kind regards.



Revision of the genus Quercus in Spain and Portugal.
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roburpetraea, at 2024-01-19 11:37:12, edited at 2024-01-20 09:48:56, said:
It's pending of aproval, but it seems that Quercus robur is going to be separated into Quercus orocantabrica and Quercus estremadurensis, sufficiently separated of European Quercus robur to be considered its own species. This adds another two endemic oak species to the already big iberian oak family. Quercus estremadurensis is also thought to have been native in Northern Africa, now nearly extinct. Here is an speciemen of Quercus estremadurensis recolected from Tanger:

https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p06860974?listIndex=4&listCount=9

Coming to Quercus orocantabrica, this is the description: "When comparing with typical Q. robur, the diagnostic characters are related with leaf length, shape, and texture. Typically, Q. orocantabrica has a thicker and leathery blade, with oblong to oblong-transovate shape. Moreover, the leaves are wider and glossy with unequal lobes, more than 6(8) secondary nerves and larger cups, with brownish and acute not-fused scales. Q. orocantabrica often presents both longer petiole (up to 15 mm) and peduncle (up to 15 cm) in comparison with Q. robur. These characters are collectively distributed across all syntypes, that are cited by the authors (Schwarz, 1937; Rivas-Martínez et al. 2002) in the protologues of both Q. robur subsp. broteroana and Q. orocantabrica."

It's going to be a challenge to differentiate this new species, as as far as I know Quercus orocantabrica grows together with Quercus robur in all the Cantabrian Mountain Range. It's going to be a real challenge, as with the phenomenon of the advance of the atlantic forest we are seeing all this species returning after centuries to their old habitats massively expanding their thought habitats from 50 years ago.

Classical image of todays Cantabrian Mountains, young trees growing of a thick Cistus shrubbrery. This were rye fields 50 years ago, today a woodland of Quercus pyrenaica, Quercus rotundifolia, Arbutus unedo, Castanea sativa and this lonely exemplar of Quercus robur/Quercus orocantabrica? is growing.

Honestly I can't differentiate between Quercus robur and Quercus orocantabrica, maybe because I learned to identify Q. orocantabrica with Q. robur?

Another potential exemplar of Quercus orocantabrica growing between two meadows, also feeding cows with its leaves.

They are wide, hard, glossy and with unequal lobes.

Full article here:

https://revistas.ucm.es/index.php/MBOT/article/view/79286/4564456561777

What do you think?

*CORRECTION* All Quercus robur in Spain and Portugal Will be identified as Quercus orocantabrica.


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-01-20 09:21:36, edited at 2024-01-20 09:31:04, said:
Hola , buenos días, todo bien ?

Yo pienso que en un género tan fluido como Quercus es muy arriesgado hacer nuevas distinciones claras entre especies , por la gran variabilidad de las mismas y las hibridaciones.

No se por qué se arrogan autoridad suficiente para nominar nuevas especies en base a unas diferencias morfológicas sutiles y discutibles, máxime cuando parece que ni han hecho estudios genéticos, los cuales serían indispensables para comprobar si realmente existe una disparidad lo suficientemente grande entre los ejemplares.

Es gracioso que unos autores portugueses y españoles publicando en una revista española escriban el artículo en inglés.

Un saludo.


roburpetraea, at 2024-01-20 09:50:49, said:
Buenas Ernesto, hombre también son diferencias genéticas las que entran en juego. La lengua científica internacional es el inglés, si quieres que te lean en el extranjero tienes que escribir en inglés, así está la cosa nos guste o no.

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2024-01-20 21:51:57, edited at 2024-01-20 21:55:38, said:
Pues no veo yo el análisis genético por ningún sitio. Otros trabajos sí se basan en ellos y podrían decidir sobre el tema.

En cuanto a que el inglés es el idioma internacional científico no veo por qué. Dónde está escrito eso ? Hay muchos trabajos publicados en español o en otros idiomas.

Un saludo.



New website on European virgin forests
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KoutaR, at 2024-01-07 16:37:43, said:
Dear friends,

We have made a new website on European virgin forests:

https://virginforests.eu/

The contributors include two further members of the MT community: Alberto and Dominic ("InSearchOfGiants").

Check the site and feel free to give us feedback, corrections and ideas for improvement!

Kouta


Wim Brinkerink, at 2024-01-07 17:09:18, said:
Hi Kouta,

In a first visit I scrolled through some pages. It's very promising. And escpecially that on your first visit one sees the most beautiful pictures about forests. Thank you. .

I'll be visiting it more often

Wim


Conifers, at 2024-01-07 17:34:51, said:
Looks nice!

The single most important improvement I would suggest would be following the IUCN or BSBI exactly for English vernacular names of species, thus Scots Pine, Macedonian Pine, Silver Birch, etc., not lowercase, which looks unprofessional in modern botanical writing.

The main list of virgin forests would be better indexed alphabetically by country (like they are in the subsection 'Other virgin forests'), rather than alphabetically by site. Currently, it is difficult to find e.g. all sites in Bulgaria.

Why are right-click and text highlight / copy disabled? Seems a bit pointless, mildly annoying (like with 'Other virgin forests' above, I had to type that out, rather than copy-paste as one normally would), without actually protecting the images from download.


KoutaR, at 2024-01-07 18:20:06, said:
Wim, nice that you like our site!

Conifers,

Thank you for your comments. At the beginning we considered all the issues you mentioned.

Lower vs. uppercase. Both are used in English literature and websites. Lowercase is used, for example, by Wikipedia, Gymnosperm Database, Euforgen and Oaks of the World. Don Welsh said we should use lowercase and that was decisive for me. Could you give me a link to the suggestions of IUCN and BSBI? Has there been a change in recent years from upper to lowercase? Perhaps lowercase is used more in North America and uppercase in the UK? If you can convince me that lowercase is routinely used in the British literature today, I am could change the names, though it will be a big task to do.

The order of the forest in the list. I asked opinions of all the contributors and the current system won. A reasoning could be 1. that if one wants to quickly check a forest he knows, e.g. Bialowieza, it is easy to find, or 2. that the site is not mentioned to be a complete listing of all the virgin forest. If there would be a list item [Bulgaria: Dzendema, Parangalitsa, Rilski Manastir, Steneto], one could more easily think, these are the only virgin forests in Bulgaria.

Disabled right-clicking. You guessed, it is an easy, though clumsy, way to protect photos from easy download. Of course, any photo can be copied by Print Screen, it only makes copying more difficult and probably protects downloading the full size photos if the monitor is smaller. I put this in my todos list and we consider another way to prevent downloading.


Conifers, at 2024-01-07 21:07:52, said:
Hi Kouta,

Thanks! Yes, lowercase is used more in USA than UK; here, uppercase first letters is fairly routine. But also, lowercase tends to be used more by journalists and newspaper writers, and uppercase more by scientists (botanists, zoologists, etc.). Wikipedia used to use uppercase, until a bunch of primarily American journalists forced a change, which caused massive acrimony and resulted in a lot of expert editors leaving wikipedia to the trolls. The use of capitals for English species names has a very long history, for example Philip Miller's 1768 Gardeners Dictionary, or, even further back, William Turner's 1551 A New Herball - the very first botanical textbook in the English language - used capitalised English names.

Here are a couple of sample pages, from IUCN and BSBI, respectively. All, or virtually all, of the increasingly popular citizen science recording websites also use capitals, such as iNaturalist and Bubo Listing. So too does the International Dendrology Society's Trees and Shrubs Online.

Hope this helps!


KoutaR, at 2024-01-07 21:40:47, said:
Ok, I think you are right. The problem is that it makes a lot of work to read everything just for the first letters of species names. Particularly for gallery image captions, as the gallery images are not saved with the texts but in a separate library. I just estimated it would take six and half hours to go through and edit all the 839 photos.

Conifers, at 2024-01-08 00:36:18, said:
Thanks! If I can help with the work, let me know!

Alberto C F, at 2024-01-15 19:26:06, said:
Very good job Kouta, congratulations, I love this website. I am also proud to have done my little bit.

Thank you so much!

Alberto.


KoutaR, at 2024-01-16 11:38:31, said:
Alberto, many thanks for you contribution!

Conifers, at 2024-01-16 12:31:43, said:
Looking at the Rila photos, some of those Pinus peuce look strikingly tall - have any measurements of them been done? If not, it would be well worth tracking down the tallest.

KoutaR, at 2024-01-16 14:02:48, said:
Unfortunately, I have no measurements of P. peuce from Bulgaria. I only noticed afterwards from the photos that the trees look tall, indeed. Definitely on the todo list should I return there.

Bomarni, at 2024-01-16 15:09:01, said:
Thank you very much for creating this website, it contains so much interesting information that you couldn't easily find otherwise. And the photographs are really amazing. It inspires me to go visit some of these beautiful places and learn about them.

What is really missing in my opinion is an overview map of all virgin forests. I understand that you might not want to include all exact locations, for example if a forest is not open to the public. But for these i think a good solution is to place the marker somewhere else, for example at a nearby town, and add a disclaimer like "location disguised" to the pop-up, to avoid confusion.


KoutaR, at 2024-01-16 16:22:08, said:
Thanks Bomarni! You are right: The reason, why there is no overview map, is that all the locations cannot be revealed. We think about it, maybe the solution you proposed can be implemented.


Eventuell ehemals geleitete Linde oder Tanzlinde im Park
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Hugo, at 2024-01-15 09:29:39, said:
Hallo Thonberger,

im Forum des Baumregisters von Baumkunde.de hat HerrMoritz von der Linde berichtet.

Er verweist auf deine Kommentare zur Linde im Park Cösitz:

"oberes Ende der ehemaligen Treppe auf die vormalige Tanzlinde (3-10-2020)"

Ich stelle gerade eine Liste mit allen Tanzlinden und geleiteten Linden in Deutschland zusammen

und bin sehr an Informationen über diese bislang unbekannte ehem. geleitete Linde interssiert.

Auch hier können wir uns austauschen, Link für eine Private Nachricht an mich: https://www.baumkunde.de/forum/ucp.php?i=pm&mode=compose&u=7156

Viele Grüße

Klaus Heinemann


Thonberger, at 2024-01-15 10:48:05, said:
Guten Tag!

Habe keinen Account in dem anderen Forum. Eigentlich sind alle Infos, die ich vor Ort erlangt habe, in meinen Fotos hier.

Freundliche Grüße!

André Ay


Hugo, at 2024-01-15 11:18:30, said:
Hallo André,

danke für die schnelle Reaktion!

Mich interessiert die Quelle der Info -

steht das im Park auf einer Tafel oder Beschriftung, oder gibt es etwas in Papirform?

Grüße, Klaus


Thonberger, at 2024-01-15 11:28:46, said:
Der Schaukasten des Parkvereins ist einige Meter vor dem Parkeingang.


Whaht is this
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Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-12-27 00:29:06, said:
When I try to access through "Main page" in spanish I get this

Warning: mysqli_connect(): (HY000/1203): User monumentaltrees already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php on line 78 Fatal error: Uncaught ArgumentCountError: mysqli_error() expects exactly 1 argument, 0 given in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php:78 Stack trace: #0 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php(78): mysqli_error() #1 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php(795): MySQLDB->makeConnection() #2 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/session.php(9): include_once('/customers/0/1/...') #3 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/site/index.php(11): include('/customers/0/1/...') #4 {main} thrown in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php on line 78


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-12-29 20:02:45, said:
Fixed, thanks.


Rapid views accumulation
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room100, at 2023-12-27 03:13:27, said:
Hello to all

Has anyone noticed any odd rapid accumulation of views in their photos? It has happened quite a bit recently to me, and in all of these cases, no votes or comments on these trees. Other trees have taken several years to approach these higher number of views. Just wondering if there is a potential glitch.

Thx !

Kelly


AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-12-27 08:37:05, said:
Hi Kelly,

I've seen that with some of my photos too. It's probably a bot searching the internet.

Regards, Alfred


room100, at 2023-12-27 10:46:49, said:
Interesting ! I never thought of that possibility.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-24 17:03:43, said:
Is this really horizontalis?


15year anniversary.
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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-23 20:17:41, said:
By now this site exists approximately 15 years. Originally inituated to register Sequoiadendron but luckely brothened wider. That's the moment when I stepped in. At that moment I added quite some German trees and other Germans picked it up. Later on this happened in Italy. By now it is settling itself as a database wherein monumentaltrees all over the world can be found. Let's thank Tim for it. Tim has managed the site/database and is able to keep it working despite his normal everyday obligations. So be aware that it can only exist with the contributions and coöperation of us all.

Thanks Tim and keep up the good working please.

Wim



Kommentar zurück: Browsereinstellung war falsch
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Zamara, at 2023-12-22 22:49:58, said:
Es lag nicht an der Website, sondern daran, daß im Browser Javascript deaktiviert war. Sorry!


Fehlerhafte Website
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Zamara, at 2023-12-22 22:23:38, said:
Die Website hat einige Programmierfehler, die es unmöglich machen, einen Baum hinzuzufügen. Man sollte auch eingeben, wann der Baum gepflanzt wurde. Woher zum Teufel soll ich das wissen ?


visscher52, at 2023-12-20 11:09:37, said:
Ik wil graag weten welke wilgensoort of variëteit het betreft. Ik kom er nog niet uit.

Gerrit.



visscher52, at 2023-12-19 12:22:36, said:
Jammer, maar te verwachten. De wilg had zwamvorming en men is gegaan voor de veiligheid op die standplaats bij stuw en fietspad.'

Jurgen, wil jij eens contact met mij opnemen over andere bomen rond Leusden. Groet,

Gerrit Visscher, lindera2015@outlook.com



Stephen Verge, at 2023-12-18 20:53:38, said:
Hello Owen

I suspect these are the tallest Coast Redwoods in Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire/Chiltern Hills?

Regards

Stephen



Robinsanner, at 2023-12-17 20:50:30, said:
Ik heb de Sequoia in 2018 of 2019 (toen reeds afgestorven) omgezaagd.

Recent heb ik een dwars doorsnede met korrel 220 geschuurd. Ik heb hierbij 153 jaarringen geteld.



willemaalten, at 2023-12-15 17:53:29, said:
Beste Alfred,

ik ben heel benieuwd waar je de gegevens over de plaats en de nabij staande boerderij hebt gevonden. Kun je mij daar meer over vertellen? Bij het Streekarchivariaat kwam ik geen informatie tegen.

Hartelijke groet,

Willem


AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-12-15 19:08:23, said:
Beste Willem,

Ik heb de kaart toegevoegd waarop de Kousekiek met naam wordt weergegeven. Ik kreeg een kopie van die kaart bij boerderij Busselserf in het buurtschap Leuvenum. Ik heb zelf in het Streekarchivariaat en verder op internet ook geen verdere informatie kunnen vinden.

Vriendelijke groet, Alfred




jvroces, at 2023-12-13 14:49:19, said:
Hola, buenas tardes

Me llamo Jose Roces, y soy profesor (ayudante) en ciencias forestales en la Universidad de Oviedo (España). Mi línea principal de trabajo se basa en estudiar los principales beneficios que los bosques y los paisajes proporcionan a la sociedad.

Estamos interesados en hacer un trabajo científico, explorando los patrones geográficos de los árboles monumentales en España/Península Ibérica, así como estudiando los principales factores que afectan a que así se consideren (e.g. la especie, el tamaño del individuo, etc.).

Para ello, estaría genial disponer de la base de datos de los árboles (Españoles & Portugueses) incluidos en esta pagina web, con sus datos asociados (tamaño, especie, nombre, etc.) incluyendo las coordenadas X e Y donde se encuentran. ¿sería posible?

Por supuesto, el uso no sería comercial, y nos comprometemos a no distribuirlo, y citar de forma adecuada la fuente de datos.

No dude en contactarme en rocesjose@uniovi.es

Gracias por su tiempo y trabajo

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Hello, good afternoon

My name is Jose Roces, and I am a professor (assistant) in forest sciences at the University of Oviedo (Spain). My main line of research is based on studying the main benefits that forests and landscapes provide to society.

We are interested in doing a scientific work (a paper), exploring the geographical patterns of monumental trees in Spain/Iberian Peninsula, as well as studying the main factors that affect them to be considered as such (e.g. species, size of the individual, etc.).

For this purpose, it would be great to have the database of the trees (Spanish & Portuguese) included in this website, with their associated data (size, species, name, etc.) including the X and Y coordinates where they are located. Would it be possible?

Of course, the use would be non-commercial, and we undertake not to distribute it, and to properly cite the source of the data.

Do not hesitate to contact me at rocesjose@uniovi.es

Thank you for your time and work



Miranda, at 2023-12-12 13:09:37, said:
De beuk op de veldmaarschalk montgomerylaan in eindhoven zag ik dat deze prachtige boom ook monumentaal is,mijn vraag is is deze beschermd want afgelopen zomer hebben ze deze boom geïnspecteerd maar weet niet bij wie ik moet zijn,en een gezonde boom op dit zelfde stuk grond is verwijderd weet ook niet waarom,ik woon op de grond van deze prachtige beuk en kijk hier iedere dag naar en zou hem niet willen missen,vriendelijke groet miranda blankers.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-12 20:45:42, said:
Beste Miranda,

De bomen op deze site zijn soms monumentaal, soms ook niet. Het is heel vaak een persoonlijke mening van iemand. Het is niet anders. Het feit dat een boom hier geregistreerd is geeft geen garantie op monumentaliteit of iets anders. Helaas zijn monumentale bomen in Nederland niet of nauwelijks beschermd. Wel wordt er door veel personen of organisaties gehandeld als er gevaar is voor "monumentale " bomen. Dat hangt echter sterk van de plaatselijke omstandigheden af. Met name de Bomenstichting wil daar nog wel eens een rol in spelen. Maar dan moet er in de regio wel iemand zijn die dat op zich neemt. Zo niet is het kansloos. Ik zal eens kijken hoe de situatie bij de Bomenstichting in Eindhoven is. En anders pikt iemand uit de omgeving dit wellicht op.



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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-10 19:24:27, said:
Dank Tim. De bug is weg . Weer normaal beeld.


Raffaellogarofalo, at 2023-12-09 23:49:44, said:
The correct Name of the plant is at Roselle and NOT Caselle!

Conifers, at 2023-12-10 00:28:19, said:
Corrected. Thanks for pointing this out!


Cadé in Reggio Emilia, Italy
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Raffaellogarofalo, at 2023-12-09 18:19:55, said:
Ciao buonasera sono Raffaello ci siamo visti oggi a Bolzano! Sono il ragazzo appassionato di botanica che sta a Castiglione della Pescaia. Grazie per il tuo suggerimento di monumental trees mi sono iscritto ora. Se vedo alberi di noci o di semi duri che penso potrebbero essere interessanti ti avviso, la mia email è rgar2309@gmail.com, e il mio n con whatsapp è 388 8747515, se passi da Castiglione della Pescaia fammi sapere, ci facciamo un caffè! Buona serata e buon lavoro a BZ!


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-01 19:20:30, said:
Hi Tim,

I see regularly a comment that someone changed a description. It is often difficult to see what has been changed. Furthermore, sometimes I have doubts about the legitimacy of the change. I see that someone who is seldomly present, changes a description.

What's your opinion?

Wim


Tim, at 2023-12-01 20:30:27, said:
Hi Wim, can you give me an example?

Then I can have a look to see what the change was.


Conifers, at 2023-12-01 20:59:38, said:
Agreed, it would be useful to have more details about what changed - if I just correct a minor spelling error, or if I change substantial details completely, both would show exactly the same summary.

Conifers, at 2023-12-06 00:27:41, said:
Here's an example, from the 'Recent changes':

2023-12-06

1:22 Conifers has changed the description of a Sessile Oak in Windsor Great Park, Windsor, United Kingdom.

All I did was correct a typo ('succombed' → 'succumbed') and added a missing fullstop. But I could have changed a whole lot more substantially altering the entire text, and the summary in the Recent changes would be no different. It isn't possible (except presumably for Tim / Admin.) to see what changes have been made.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-06 12:42:22, said:
Thanks Conifers, And @ Tim,

I recently changed this site.

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/nld/zuidholland/rotterdam/118_arboretumtrompenburg/

I removed something and I added something. No one can see what's happened. And I think it is interesting to know what someone changes.


Tim, at 2023-12-08 09:32:54, said:
Hi,

yes, I understand the request.

I have now added a link "see changes" to the recent changes list when a tree description gets changed.

Examples from the "recent changes" list:

When clicking on that link, you will be brought to a page that shows the differences between the last and the second last version of the description.

This could be made more fancy by e.g. being able to choose exactly which versions to compare etc., but I hope this is already an improvement.

Kind regards,

Tim


Conifers, at 2023-12-08 13:57:07, said:
Excellent, thanks!

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-08 16:44:17, said:
Mooi. Dank je Tim


Nieuw boek over Trompenburg door Gert Fortgens.
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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-12-08 16:40:11, said:
Mensen,

Er is een nieuw boek verschenen van de hand van Gert fortgens, de voormalige hortuaris van Trompenburg. Het boek lijkt alleen te koop in de winkel van Trompenburg. Ik denk dat niet iedereen in de gelegenheid is om daar even langs te gaan en Trompenburg verstuurt de boeken niet. Ik heb Gert gevraagd hoe ik aan het boek kan komen. Nou: bestellen bij LM publishers. Je betaalt slechts 2,50 verzendkosten en het boek kost 29,95.

Zie hier de link. (en Tim dit is geen commerciële boodschap) De liefhebber wordt graag geïnformeerd over Trompenburg.

https://lmpublishers.nl/product/trompenburg-tuinen-arboretum-rotterdam/

Wim Brinkerink



Stephen Verge, at 2023-12-05 20:40:18, said:
Hi Owen

Not sure if you know this fact, but Puck Pitts, Boulderwood and Rhinefield Drive were planted by the Deputy Surveyor Lawrence Henry Cumberbatch.

This will include the probable Corsican Pines, Giant Sequoia, Coast Redwoods Champion UK Norway Spruces and European Silver Firs etc at the above localities.

(A Modern Sylva or a Discourse of Forest Trees by H.L. Edlin)

Royal Forestry Society publication October 1965.



Stephen Verge, at 2023-12-05 20:16:14, said:
Very sad to see this old friend go.

Just shows that the ages claimed for large oaks such as these are grossly over exaggerated! Most unpollarded oaks fail after some 280-350 years.



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Conifers, at 2023-11-29 16:57:02, said:
Hi Tim,

The main English page link https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/ is broken; it gives this error message:

Warning: mysqli_connect(): (HY000/1203): User monumentaltrees already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php on line 78 Fatal error: Uncaught ArgumentCountError: mysqli_error() expects exactly 1 argument, 0 given in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php:78 Stack trace: #0 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php(78): mysqli_error() #1 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php(795): MySQLDB->makeConnection() #2 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/session.php(9): include_once('/customers/0/1/...') #3 /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/site/index.php(11): include('/customers/0/1/...') #4 {main} thrown in /customers/0/1/c/monumentaltrees.com/httpd.www/login/database.php on line 78

The only way I can enter the website is to go to one of the other languages (e.g. replace /en/ with /nl/ ), and then click on 'View in English'; other pages like https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/discussion/ are OK, it is just the main link.

Thanks!


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-11-29 17:03:45, said:
Conifers,

I had the same problem. Tried another browser (Fireworks) and it worked. In the next step I started with chrome again and pressed F5. That was the solution. No problems anymore.

Wim


Conifers, at 2023-11-29 22:54:22, said:
Hi Wim - excellent, thanks! That worked for me too just now 😊

Tim, at 2023-11-30 07:17:56, said:
Yes, that error message appeared on all pages for short time yesterday while I was working on the site. I know why, will not explain :-)

It is likely some of those pages (in Conifer's case the English main page, could just as well have been another one) made it into your browser's cache. Simply hitting F5 in your browser after that time would have solved it (no need to go to another browser) or simply waiting until it expired in the browser's cache, would have helped too.

Kind regards,

Tim



Boomhoogte wordt niet goed weergegeven
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AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-11-29 11:01:04, said:
Hallo Tim,

Na de storing van gisteren is er toch nog een foutje blijven hangen. Op de boompagina's wordt de boomhoogte niet altijd goed weergegeven. Bij enkele metingen is er geen probleem maar als een boom meerdere keren is opgemeten wordt de tabel met hoogtemetingen niet weergegeven. Zou je daar naar kunnen kijken?

Groet, Alfred


Tim, at 2023-11-29 12:08:36, said:
Hallo Alfred, inderdaad, die tabellen staan nu terug.

Groeten,

Tim


AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-11-29 12:12:45, said:
Dankjewel Tim voor de snelle reactie!

Groet, Alfred



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Tim, at 2023-11-28 19:14:29, said:
Hi,

on request it is now also possible to register trees in Moldova.

Kind regards,

Tim



Alberto C F, at 2023-11-11 09:53:17, said:
Hola Ernesto, espero que estés bien.

¿Estas seguro de que en esta ubicación esta el "Castiñeiro do Maestro? En este lugar concretamente no hay ningun arbol monumental. El famoso castaño es el que he registrado yo después, sin saber que estaba aqui este otro registrado por tí y que está a unos 250 metros de distancia.

Creo que seria bueno para el sitio web no registrar árboles que no visitemos o midamos nosotros mismos, al no ser que estemos muy seguros de su ubicacion o que hayan muerto y solamente quede constancia de él en archivos o fotos.

Un saludo.


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-11-13 18:34:50, said:
Hola Alberto, buenas noches, no estoy seguro, recuerdo haber pasado con el coche por la carretera y haber visto un castaño grande en la entrada del pueblo, supuse que era ese el Castaño del Maestro, pero me puedo haber equivocado, quizás debí preguntar al del bar-hotel del pueblo, con el que estuve hablando . Cámbialo si crees que es otro.

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-11-13 18:48:31, said:
Pero no veo que pusiera yo que ese era el Castiñeiro del Maestro. En fín , en la entrada del pueblo hay un castaño grande, no se si será ese u otro.

Alberto C F, at 2023-11-27 19:34:11, edited at 2023-11-27 19:35:58, said:
Hola Ernesto,

Disculpa, no he visto tu mensaje hasta ahora.

La verdad es que yo en esta ubicación no vi ningun árbol muy grande aunque hay buenos castaños por todo el pueblo y toda esa zona. Por la parte más alta del pueblo hay varios castaños de 5 o 6 metros de circunferencia. Fue un paisano el que me indico cual es el Castiñeiro do Maestro y fue él quien me dijo que perdió la rama mas grande y alta hace no muchos años, de hay la discordancia en altura de la medicion que anotaste tu y la mia.

Lo que he hecho, si no es inconveniente por tu parte, ha sido editar el nombre dejandolo vacio y poniendoselo al que registre yo.

De haber visto que estaba registrado este árbol antes de registrar el mio, hubiese modificado la localizacion simplemente.

Muchas gracias y un saludo.


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-11-28 16:50:21, said:
Hola Alberto, creo que me equivoqué al colocar la localización, que la puse cientos de mts. antes de entrar en el pueblo. Si el que tu dices está al entrar en el pueblo por la carretera a la izda. ese es el que yo vi. Tengo un amigo en ese pueblo que vive saliendo para el puerto de Ancares, y como te dije estuve hablando con el del hotel que es primo suyo, pero no me preocupé de preguntar por el Castaño. Un saludo Alberto.


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gabrielorrego, at 2023-11-22 12:15:10, said:
Hi, I was wondering how I could get in touch with you guys. We are a group from Chile with a project called Gran Arbol. Very similar approach and we see so much potential for collaboration. Let me know if there is an email I could explain to you more, or even better, schedule a meeting with the team.

Big tree hug


Tim, at 2023-11-28 13:42:08, said:
Hi Gabriel,

the technical part behind this is just a one-man project I started when I was a student.

Now, many years later, I'm still extending the functionality and maintaining the site (for which the magnificent content gets added by many) every time I have a little time. I like the idea of collaboration but I'm afraid I cannot make any commitments due to time lacking on my side. I would like to keep it fun for myself (doing something because there is time) and not make if feel like a job or obligation (doing something/having meetings/... because I committed to something I cannot support).

Hope for your understanding.

Kind regards,

Tim



New functionality
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Tim, at 2023-11-28 13:31:35, said:
Hi,

a long standing request was taken care of: it is now possible to not only "edit" your own measurements (which is: change the value, measurement method, ...) it is not also possible to remove your own measurements. Note that these measurements are never really deleted, they are simply marked as deleted and can be recovered on request.

It is now also possible to add multiple measurements in the same year. That might cause some troubles with the growth rate calculations, have not tested that thoroughly. Let me know if something goes wrong.

Certain users can now also delete measurements of others - obviously, please only use this in case of obvious errors (typo, incorrect tree measured, ...), in any other doubtful situations it would be polite to initiate a discussion first.

Kind regards,

Tim



Bugfix
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Tim, at 2023-11-28 13:27:30, said:
Hi,

today a long standing known bug was solved: if a tree got marked as timbered, cut down, collapsed, ... the girth measurement for the entire location in the lists was not necessarily updated. This is now the case.

Kind regards,

Tim



Platane im Wiener Volksgarten
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Ulrich1090, at 2023-11-27 08:32:30, said:
An alle, die Wien und seine Baumriesen lieben.

Die sog. "Sisi-Platane" im Wiener Volksgarten soll geschlägert, abgeholzt werden.

Die Absperrgitter rund um den riesigen Baum sind bereits aufgestellt.

Die Sisi-Platane ist ein eingetragenes Naturdenkmal (ID 376).

Die Liste der Naturdenkmale nennt die "Morgenländische Platane (lat. Platanus Platanus) als "für den Volksgarten parkbildbestimmend".

Der Stammumfang wird derzeit mit über 6 Metern angegeben.

Damit ist dieser Baum einer der großartigsten und historisch bedeutendsten der Stadt Wien.

Angeblich ist der Baum "tot".

Doch seine gewaltige Krone ist voll belaubt und es gibt äußerlich kein Anzeichen für Krankheiten oder Fäulnis.

Wir sollten uns wehren.

UH

links:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Naturdenkm%C3%A4ler_in_Wien/Innere_Stadt#/media/Datei:Naturdenkmal_376_2011-09-29_P9290033_Wien01_Volksgarten_Platane.JPG

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/aut/wien/innerestadt/5591_volksgarten/11084/

https://www.baumkunde.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27535



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Ulrich1090, at 2023-11-27 08:28:47, said:
An alle, die Wien und seine Baumriesen lieben.

Die sog. "Sisi-Platane" im Wiener Volksgarten soll geschlägert, abgeholzt werden.

Die Absperrgitter rund um den riesigen Baum sind bereits aufgestellt.

Die Sisi-Platane ist ein eingetragenes Naturdenkmal (ID 376).

Die Liste der Naturdenkmale nennt die "Morgenländische Platane (lat. Platanus Platanus) als "für den Volksgarten parkbildbestimmend".

Der Stammumfang wird derzeit mit über 6 Metern angegeben.

Damit ist dieser Baum einer der großartigsten und historisch bedeutendsten der Stadt Wien.

Angeblich ist der Baum "tot".

Doch seine gewaltige Krone ist voll belaubt und es gibt äußerlich kein Anzeichen für Krankheiten oder Fäulnis.

Wir sollten uns wehren.

UH

links:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Naturdenkm%C3%A4ler_in_Wien/Innere_Stadt#/media/Datei:Naturdenkmal_376_2011-09-29_P9290033_Wien01_Volksgarten_Platane.JPG

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/aut/wien/innerestadt/5591_volksgarten/11084/

https://www.baumkunde.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27535



Tolgyfa2023, at 2023-11-25 19:43:18, said:
Je te souhaite une bonne soirée!

Désolé de vous déranger, mais j'aimerais vous acheter du quercus trojana et des glands libanais si possible. S'il vous plaît, aidez-moi, donnez-moi un prix et je paierai via PayPal. Salutations: Zoltán



Tolgyfa2023, at 2023-11-25 19:42:19, said:
Je te souhaite une bonne soirée!

Désolé de vous déranger, mais j'aimerais vous acheter du quercus trojana et des glands libanais si possible. S'il vous plaît, aidez-moi, donnez-moi un prix et je paierai via PayPal. Salutations: Zoltán



Zucker-Kiefer
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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-11-21 17:33:42, said:
Die grössten Nadelholz - Zapfen

■ Zuckerkiefer

Die grössten Zapfen aller Nadelhölzer besitzt die im westlichen Nordamerika heimische Zuckerkiefer. Sie können eine Länge von bis zu 60 cm erreichen und sind im geöffneten Zustand bis zu 25 cm breit. Die Zuckerkiefer ist auch die höchste aller Kieferarten (bis über 80 m).


Conifers, at 2023-11-21 21:13:15, said:
Also Pinus strobiformis in Jalisco, Mexico, the cones can probably also reach 60 cm.

The tallest pine is now Pinus ponderosa subsp. benthamiana, to 83 m.


Werner Reckholder, at 2023-11-23 05:07:05, said:
Thank you for your additional comments concerning biggest cones on earth.


Baum nicht vorhanden 2
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StefanC1, at 2023-11-20 12:45:23, said:
hallo

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/aut/niederosterreich/wienumgebung/4788_donau/13131/

da steht gar nix kein baum nix

nur ein aufgeschütteter Erdhaufen



Baum nicht vorhanden
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StefanC1, at 2023-11-20 12:31:53, said:
Hallo

https://www.monumentaltrees.com/de/aut/niederosterreich/wienumgebung/4788_donau/11963/

der ist gar nicht da

war gestern dort, nicht vorhanden gar nix



Nieuw hoogterecord voor Nederland
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AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-07-09 11:42:45, said:
Vorig weekend heb ik in de Uddeler Heegde in het Kroondomein een boom ontdekt die mogelijk de hoogst gemeten boom van Nederland is of kan worden, zie hier de registratie: Common Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '61086'. Na twee bezoeken en uitgebreid meten met een Nikon Forestry Pro kwam ik tot 51,1 meter. De huidige recordhouder Common Douglas-fir (Pseudotsuga menziesii) '3028' in het Paleispark in Apeldoorn had in 2020 een hoogte van 50,5 meter (op deze website ingevoerd) en 50,8 meter (in het register van de Bomenstichting) dus dat scheelt niet veel, en de boom zal in de afgelopen 3 jaar ook nog wat gegroeid zijn. Het zou mooi zijn als iemand anders mijn meting in de Uddeler Heegde kan controleren en dat de boom in het Paleispark ook opnieuw gemeten wordt om uitsluitsel te geven.

AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-08-04 17:02:58, said:
Vandaag heb ik de Douglas in het Paleispark gemeten en kwam op 50,6 meter dus wat mij betreft is de Douglas in de Uddeler Heegde de hoogst gemeten boom van Nederland, maar zoals ik hiervoor al aangaf zou het mooi zijn als iemand mijn metingen kan controleren. Wat mij vandaag wel opviel is dat van de boom in het Paleispark de naaldbezetting een stuk beter is dan die van de boom in de Uddeler Heegde. De laatste zal waarschijnlijk meer last hebben gehad van de droogte van de afgelopen jaren. De locatiehoogte speelt daarin een rol, die is in de Uddeler Heegde 47 meter en in het Paleispark 21 meter en in het Paleispark valt jaarlijks ook meer neerslag. De levensverwachting van de boom in het Paleispark schat ik dan ook hoger in.

AlfredHuizinga, at 2023-11-19 12:40:25, said:
Onlangs heeft Jeroen Philippona beide bomen opgemeten en kwam ook tot een verschil van 0,5 meter in het voordeel van de boom in de Uddeler Heegde.


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baldwald, at 2023-11-14 03:56:59, edited at 2023-11-14 03:57:53, said:
Wir würden gern für unsere Waldseite baldwald.de einige, wenige Fotos von munumentaltrees nutzen. Wie und wo können wir die Fotografen um eine Genehmigung anfragen?


leocuracautin, at 2023-11-13 13:39:51, said:
Estimados:

Este árbol, se encuentra en la Comuna de Curacautín, y no en la de Victoria como dice la información.

Está ubicado afuera del Parque Nacional Tolhuaca, en el recinto propiedad de las Termas de Tolhuaca, hoy conocidas como Termas de Malleco

atentamente

leonardo araya



Discussion · Arbres monumentaux
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DBZT, at 2023-11-06 10:42:18, said:
J'ai retrouvé l'article : le 5 mars 2022, Elijah W. et Jeff Riddle ont mesuré un Q. rubra près de la jonction Armes Gap/Fodderstack Mt./Lookout Tower Trail (Frozen Head State Park), le premier, muni d'un Trupulse 200X, a mesuré 50,29 m (165 ft.) ; le second, muni d'un Nikon Prostaff 440, a trouvé 50,08 m (164,3 ft.)

Quelqu'un peut-il dire si les appareils de mesure sont équivalents au Nikon Forestry Pro ?


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2023-11-06 21:06:17, said:
The TruPulse200 is supposedly accurate to within a few centimetres.

DBZT, at 2023-11-07 09:04:04, said:
Thanks,

So, can we register this tree ?


Jeroen Philippona, at 2023-11-12 23:03:23, edited at 2023-11-12 23:20:18, said:
Yes, these lasers are probably more accurate than the Nikon Forestry Pro, so these measurements are reliable. Jess Riddle is one of the most experienced tree height measurers from the USA. They realise that it is a Quercus height regord for the USA and outside Mexico for Northern America.

Jeroen Philippona, at 2023-11-12 23:03:30, said:
Yes, these lasers are probably more accurate than the Nikon Forestry Pro, so these measurements are reliable. Jess Riddle is one of the most experienced tree height measurers from the USA.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-11-08 21:32:43, edited at 2023-11-09 09:40:48, said:
Vandaag Trompenburg weer bezocht (in the rain). Jaap Smit is daar de nieuwe Hortuaris. Veel ambitieuze plannen.Onder meer verplaatsen van de ingang naar de Oostzeedijk. (Dat zou niet mijn prioriteit zijn, maar zolang anderen (gemeente) dat betalen is er niets mis mee. Erg toegankelijk. Mooi. Daar gaan we veel meer van zien en horen. Jaap leidde me in de regen langs de toppers in zijn ogen. Ik ga die plaatsen. Die toppers zijn onder meer Maytenis boaria en Acer sinopurpurascens . Jaap leidde me ook op mijn verzoek langs de verschillende Koelreuteria's.


KoenraadV, at 2023-11-06 16:50:45, said:
Beste,

Is er een leeftijd geweten van de pinus nigra in het park Vordenstein te Schoten ?

beste groeten,

Koenraad



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DBZT, at 2023-11-06 10:42:09, said:
J'ai retrouvé l'article : le 5 mars 2022, Elijah W. et Jeff Riddle ont mesuré un Q. rubra près de la jonction Armes Gap/Fodderstack Mt./Lookout Tower Trail (Frozen Head State Park), le premier, muni d'un Trupulse 200X, a mesuré 50,29 m (165 ft.) ; le second, muni d'un Nikon Prostaff 440, a trouvé 50,08 m (164,3 ft.)

Quelqu'un peut-il dire si les appareils de mesure sont équivalents au Nikon Forestry Pro ?



DBZT, at 2023-11-06 10:18:56, said:
I have read somewhere that the actual record is a 50,29 m in Frozen Head, Tennessee. Is somebody able tu give any precision ?


DBZT, at 2023-11-06 10:05:38, said:
Another has been measured in 2022 in Tennessee : 48,28 m (Tanglewood Park, Clemmons, North-Carolina). I don't know the method.


DBZT, at 2023-11-06 09:30:15, said:
If we believe Bart Bouricius, this tree would be 55,83 m high (60,4 - 4,57 m).


DBZT, at 2023-11-06 09:21:10, said:
Any news about the one in Tikal (Guatemala), known to reach 70 m ?


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Danieduplessis, at 2023-11-05 17:33:31, said:
I have a huge (equivalent not seen anywhere) of Vachellia Sieberiana with a diameter at its widest of approximately 30m or more. I believe it may be a record

Danie du Plessis dplesdf@unisa.ac.za



Daniel1900, at 2023-11-05 13:56:27, said:
In meinem Wald sowie ebenfalls in Nachbargemeinden stehen jeweils Fichten, die ich mit meiner (allerdings auf cirka 0,3 m ungenauen) Meßmethode auf Gesamthöhen von 50 und 51 m gemessen habe. Leider gelingt es mir nicht, diese Informationen in das dafür vorgesehene Formular einzutragen. Bitte um Rückmeldung unter Daniel.Brucker.1900@web.de


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-11-03 17:02:51, edited at 2023-11-03 18:43:48, said:
Im testing to add pictures to a discussion, It has something to do with embedding I think. I'll try it for the moment. Excuse me. https://futuretreehealth.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Cotton-Tree-Sierra-Leone-1024x574.jpg

I think this one didn't work. couldn't embed it. I could make a QR-code, but that's not enough. This one is copying a link to the pic. I do not want the link but the picture shown, as I have seen others do.


Conifers, at 2023-11-03 22:04:34, edited at 2023-11-03 22:08:48, said:
Hi Wim - you want {img src="link to picture" alt="name of picture"}, except replace the curly brackets { } with triangular brackets < >. But in general, it isn't a good idea, as it can lead to copyright problems for the website owner Tim, unless you own the copyright of the picture.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-11-04 11:13:39, said:
Hi Conifers,

I allways take in account copyright matters. Thanks for your tip.



visscher52, at 2023-11-03 16:16:04, said:
Nardo,

gefeliciteerd met deze bijzondere vondst. Ik ken dat eikenlaantje als ik vanaf een tankstation naar het zuiden van NL-limburg rijd. Ik ga er zeker eens op letten.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-11-03 16:22:57, said:
Heel bijzonder. In België tref je vaker aangename verrassingen. Mooi Nardo.


gunnar, at 2023-11-03 10:10:14, said:
Really need to update more pics of this fast growing beast


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treeloverrr, at 2023-10-28 23:06:38, said:
Also is called the Arkansas Oak

Conifers, at 2023-10-29 10:03:43, said:
Added. Though (as with Quercus acerifolia) we don't have any specimens listed here: MT isn't a global listing of all tree species, we generally only add new species, when a notable specimen of that species is measured and added to the database. There isn't any point in adding names for which we don't have measured specimens!

treeloverrr, at 2023-10-30 22:33:19, said:
Ok I understand.

Conifers, at 2023-10-31 01:32:42, said:
Thanks! Of course, if you can find and measure some good specimens of them, they will be very welcome!


Sevillalanueva, at 2023-10-30 12:31:26, said:
Buenos dias, desearia saber si el pino piñonero esta protegido en la Comunidad de Madrid, un saludo y gracias.


Jandrophile, at 2023-10-30 11:44:28, said:
This is a beautiful tree which I have driven to simply to sit in its presence.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-29 21:55:33, said:
Hi Wwrner,

Thank you for joining. We can appreciate your contributions. But please complie to the ways we do our things in this community? Please?? And contribute in the normal way? And you perfectly know what is normal and what is not. Or? Any doubts about what's normal?



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AggloTrees, at 2023-10-29 21:42:59, edited at 2023-10-30 21:26:13, said:
Der Baum steht im Baugebiet, hat schätzungsweise einen Durchmesser von mindestens 80cm (Umfang ca. 2.5m) und eine eindrückliche Höhe. Er soll nächstens zu Gunsten von Parkplätzen, von denen es in dieser Gemeinde mehr als genug hat, gefällt werden!

In diesem Gebiet dürfte künftig ein neues Quartier entstehen. Das ist gut so. Trotzdem sollte meiner Meinung nach diese Pracht-Hagebuche erhalten und integrierender Teil des Grünraums dieses Quartiers werden. Sie wäre nicht nur schön, sondern könnte auch einen wertvollen Beitrag an die künftige Siedlungsqualität leisten.

Schöne Bäume sollten nicht nur in Pärken, Wäldern oder im Offenland stehen, aber auch in einfachen Quartieren und in Agglomerationen. Was meint ihr dazu?



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 14:40:05, said:
● Baum mit den grössten Früchten

■ Die größten Früchte wachsen auf dem indischen Jackbaum.

Eine einzige Frucht wiegt rund 25 kg. Sie ist gelb, oval und stachelig und kann roh oder gekocht gegessen werden.

Gruss

Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 14:14:28, said:
● Baum mit dem ältesten Wurzelsystem

■ Die älteste Baumwurzel hat der 'Huon Pine", eine Kiefer.

Sie befindet sich in Tasmanien. Zahlreiche Stämme lassen auf einen Kiefernwald schliessen, aber es ist nachgewiesen, dass sie alle aus ein und demselben Wurzelgeflecht entspringen und ein einheitliches Genom besitzen.

10.500 Jahre alt ist das Wurzelgeflecht der sogenannten "Huon Pine" in Tasmanien - das haben Wissenschaftler herausgefunden. Aus den uralten Wurzeln sprießen immer wieder neue, genetisch identische Kiefern. Die Pflanze klont sich also immer wieder selbst. Die älteste Kiefer darunter ist etwa 2000 Jahre alt. Diesen Trick nutzen vor allem viele, sehr alte Pflanzen. Im Jahr 2009 haben kalifornische Wissenschaftler einen Busch gefunden, der sich seit 13.000 Jahren selbst klont. Er stammt also noch aus der letzten Eiszeit. Mittlerweile hat sich der Jurupa-Eiche getaufte Busch an die sengende Hitze Kaliforniens gewöhnt und sich demtentsprechend angepasst. Genug Zeit dazu hatte er ja.

Gruss

Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 14:11:38, said:
● Baum mit dem ältesten Wurzelsystem

■ Die älteste Baumwurzel hat der 'Huon Pine", eine Kiefer.

Sie befindet sich in Tasmanien. Zahlreiche Stämme lassen auf einen Kiefernwald schliessen, aber es ist nachgewiesen, dass sie alle aus ein und demselben Wurzelgeflecht entspringen und ein einheitliches Genom besitzen.

10.500 Jahre alt ist das Wurzelgeflecht der sogenannten "Huon Pine" in Tasmanien - das haben Wissenschaftler herausgefunden. Aus den uralten Wurzeln sprießen immer wieder neue, genetisch identische Kiefern. Die Pflanze klont sich also immer wieder selbst. Die älteste Kiefer darunter ist etwa 2000 Jahre alt. Diesen Trick nutzen vor allem viele, sehr alte Pflanzen. Im Jahr 2009 haben kalifornische Wissenschaftler einen Busch gefunden, der sich seit 13.000 Jahren selbst klont. Er stammt also noch aus der letzten Eiszeit. Mittlerweile hat sich der Jurupa-Eiche getaufte Busch an die sengende Hitze Kaliforniens gewöhnt und sich demtentsprechend angepasst. Genug Zeit dazu hatte er ja.



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 14:10:03, said:
■ Die älteste Baumwurzel hat der 'Huon Pine", eine Kiefer.

Sie befindet sich in Tasmanien. Zahlreiche Stämme lassen auf einen Kiefernwald schliessen, aber es ist nachgewiesen, dass sie alle aus ein und demselben Wurzelgeflecht entspringen und ein einheitliches Genom besitzen.

10.500 Jahre alt ist das Wurzelgeflecht der sogenannten "Huon Pine" in Tasmanien - das haben Wissenschaftler herausgefunden. Aus den uralten Wurzeln sprießen immer wieder neue, genetisch identische Kiefern. Die Pflanze klont sich also immer wieder selbst. Die älteste Kiefer darunter ist etwa 2000 Jahre alt. Diesen Trick nutzen vor allem viele, sehr alte Pflanzen. Im Jahr 2009 haben kalifornische Wissenschaftler einen Busch gefunden, der sich seit 13.000 Jahren selbst klont. Er stammt also noch aus der letzten Eiszeit. Mittlerweile hat sich der Jurupa-Eiche getaufte Busch an die sengende Hitze Kaliforniens gewöhnt und sich demtentsprechend angepasst. Genug Zeit dazu hatte er ja.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:41:55, said:
Das natürliche Verbreitungsgebiet der Schuppenrindigen Tanne liegt in China. Dort findet man sie in den Gebirgen Süd-Gansus, Süd-Qinghais, West- und Nord-Sichuans sowie Südost-Xizangs. Sie wächst in Höhenlagen von 3000

bis 4700 Metern.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:38:59, said:
● Der Baum, der auf dem höchsten Standort wächst

■ Die schuppenrindige Tanne (Abies squamata) wächst auf 4600 m Seehöhe am Ost-Himalaya in Sichuan und ist damit der Baum, der der dünnsten Luft ausgesetzt ist.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:38:36, said:
● Der Baum, der auf dem höchsten Standort wächst

■ Die schuppenrindige Tanne (Abies squamata) wächst auf 4600 m Seehöhe am Ost-Himalaya in Sichuan und ist damit der Baum, der der dünnsten Luft ausgesetzt ist.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:30:58, said:
Der Baum, der auf der Welt am häufigsten vorkommt .

Eine Frage die man wohl derzeit nicht eindeutig beantworten kann. Es ist eine recht exakte Schätzung möglich.

Mit sehr hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit sind dies Nadelbäume in der Taiga. Da dort auf Grund des harten Klimas eine geringe Artenvielfalt herrscht, überwiegen hier die Nadelbäume. Auch die Ausbeutung durch den Menschen wird durch das rauhe Klima doch sehr erschwert als in anderen Regionen unserer Erde.

Gemäß Expertern gelten die drei dort vorkommenden Baumarten als die häufigsten unserer Welt:

■ Kanadische oder Schimmelfichte (Picea glauca)

■ Dahurische Lärche (Larix gmelinii)

■ Sibirische Lärche (Larix sibirica)

Eine Statistik gibt es darüber aber nicht. Die drei Baumarten werden sozusagen von Experten als die Favoriten angesehen.

■ Die vorherrschendste Baumart der CH mit rund 48 Prozent als auch in Europa

ist die Fichte.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:30:38, said:
Der Baum, der auf der Welt am häufigsten vorkommt .

Eine Frage die man wohl derzeit nicht eindeutig beantworten kann. Es ist eine recht exakte Schätzung möglich.

Mit sehr hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit sind dies Nadelbäume in der Taiga. Da dort auf Grund des harten Klimas eine geringe Artenvielfalt herrscht, überwiegen hier die Nadelbäume. Auch die Ausbeutung durch den Menschen wird durch das rauhe Klima doch sehr erschwert als in anderen Regionen unserer Erde.

Gemäß Expertern gelten die drei dort vorkommenden Baumarten als die häufigsten unserer Welt:

■ Kanadische oder Schimmelfichte (Picea glauca)

■ Dahurische Lärche (Larix gmelinii)

■ Sibirische Lärche (Larix sibirica)

Eine Statistik gibt es darüber aber nicht. Die drei Baumarten werden sozusagen von Experten als die Favoriten angesehen.

■ Die vorherrschendste Baumart der CH mit rund 48 Prozent als auch in Europa

ist die Fichte.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:24:15, said:
Der älteste Baum der Welt

Die nachweislich ältesten Bäume der Welt stehen ebenfalls in Kalifornien, in den White Mountains: Es sind die "Bristlecone Pines" oder Grannenkiefern (Pinus aristata). Ihr Holz zeigt etwa 100 Jahresringe auf einem Zentimeter. Der älteste von ihnen heißt "Methusaleh" und ist über 4.700 Jahre alt. Die Tamrit-Zypressen im algerischen Tassiligebirge sollen 4.000 bis 5.000 Jahre alt sein. Hier fehlt aber ebenso der exakte Beweis wie bei einer japanischen Sicheltanne auf der Insel Yakushima, die alles andere in den Schatten stellt: Ihr Alter wird auf ungefähr 7.000 Jahre geschätzt.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:23:07, said:
Der älteste Baum der Welt

Die nachweislich ältesten Bäume der Welt stehen ebenfalls in Kalifornien, in den White Mountains: Es sind die "Bristlecone Pines" oder Grannenkiefern (Pinus aristata). Ihr Holz zeigt etwa 100 Jahresringe auf einem Zentimeter. Der älteste von ihnen heißt "Methusaleh" und ist über 4.700 Jahre alt. Die Tamrit-Zypressen im algerischen Tassiligebirge sollen 4.000 bis 5.000 Jahre alt sein. Hier fehlt aber ebenso der exakte Beweis wie bei einer japanischen Sicheltanne auf der Insel Yakushima, die alles andere in den Schatten stellt: Ihr Alter wird auf ungefähr 7.000 Jahre geschätzt.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:19:22, said:
Der Riesen-Eukalyptus (Eucalyptus regnans), auch Königs-Eukalyptus genannt, ist eine in Australien beheimatete Laubbaumart aus der Gattung Eukalyptus (Eucalyptus) in der Familie der Myrtengewächse (Myrtaceae).

Der wohl höchste Laubbaum der Welt.

Beschreibung

Der Riesen-Eukalyptus ist ein immergrüner Baum, der ein Alter von etwa 400 Jahren erreichen kann. Er bildet eine schmale Baumkrone an einem geraden Stamm aus. Die Rinde ist grau und an den untersten 5 bis 15 Metern grob gefurcht, darüber eher glatt.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:18:45, said:
Der Riesen-Eukalyptus (Eucalyptus regnans), auch Königs-Eukalyptus genannt, ist eine in Australien beheimatete Laubbaumart aus der Gattung Eukalyptus (Eucalyptus) in der Familie der Myrtengewächse (Myrtaceae).

Der wohl höchste Laubbaum der Welt.

Beschreibung

Der Riesen-Eukalyptus ist ein immergrüner Baum, der ein Alter von etwa 400 Jahren erreichen kann. Er bildet eine schmale Baumkrone an einem geraden Stamm aus. Die Rinde ist grau und an den untersten 5 bis 15 Metern grob gefurcht, darüber eher glatt.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Edel-Tanne (Typ-Art)
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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:16:25, said:
Wissenswertes

Die Edle Tanne oder auch Silber-Tanne (Abies procera) genannt, hat die größten Zapfen aller Tannenarten. Diese sind oft so schwer, dass sich die Zweige nach unten biegen und die Tannenzapfen schräg nach unten hängen. Aufgrund der schönen blaugrünen Färbung und der Haltbarkeit der Nadeln ist die Edle Tanne ein sehr geschätzter Weihnachtsbaum.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:15:52, said:
Wissenswertes

Die Edle Tanne oder auch Silber-Tanne (Abies procera) genannt, hat die größten Zapfen aller Tannenarten. Diese sind oft so schwer, dass sich die Zweige nach unten biegen und die Tannenzapfen schräg nach unten hängen. Aufgrund der schönen blaugrünen Färbung und der Haltbarkeit der Nadeln ist die Edle Tanne ein sehr geschätzter Weihnachtsbaum.

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:11:54, said:
Schnellwachsende und langsam wachsende Nadelbäume

Wer auf der Suche nach sehr langsam wachsenden Bäumen im Garten ist, der sollte eine Gewöhnliche Eibe (Taxus baccata), Grannen-Kiefer (Pinus aristata), Korea-Tanne (Abies koreana), Nobilis-Tanne (Abies procera, Syn.: Abies nobilis) oder Nordmann-Tanne (Abies nordmanniana) pflanzen.

Zu den schnellwachsenden Nadelbäumen im Garten mit mehr als 30 cm Längenwachstum im Jahr zählen die Gemeine Fichte (Picea abies), Koloradotanne (Abies concolor), Große Küstentanne (Abies grandis) und Waldkiefer (Pinus sylvestris).

Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:11:07, said:
Schnellwachsende und langsam wachsende Nadelbäume :

Wer auf der Suche nach sehr langsam wachsenden Bäumen im Garten ist, der sollte eine Gewöhnliche Eibe (Taxus baccata), Grannen-Kiefer (Pinus aristata), Korea-Tanne (Abies koreana), Nobilis-Tanne (Abies procera, Syn.: Abies nobilis) oder Nordmann-Tanne (Abies nordmanniana) pflanzen.

Zu den schnellwachsenden Nadelbäumen im Garten mit mehr als 30 cm Längenwachstum im Jahr zählen die Gemeine Fichte (Picea abies), Koloradotanne (Abies concolor), Große Küstentanne (Abies grandis) und Waldkiefer (Pinus sylvestris).

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 13:01:34, said:
Zapfenrekord :

Die größten Zapfen der Welt bei Nadelbäumen findet man bei der Zuckerkiefer (bis 60 cm lang und 25 cm breit), die mit Wuchshöhen um die 80 Meter auch die höchste aller Kiefernarten ist.



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 12:58:30, said:
Die Fortingall Yew gilt als Europas ältester Baum; sie steht im Dorf Fortingall in Perth and Kinross in Schottland; ihr Alter wird auf 3000 bis 5000 Jahre geschätzt.


Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 12:53:34, said:
Art Nadelholz

botanischer Name Pinus Palustris

botanische Familie Pinaceae

Vorkommen

Dies ist das schwerste, kommerziell genutzte Weichholz und wächst in den gesamten USA in einem Bogen von Virginia über Florida bis an den Golf von Mexiko.

Erscheinungsbild

Das cremerosafarbene Splintholz ist recht dünn und kontrastiert mit dem gelbroten bis rötlichbraunen Kernholz mit seiner auffälligen Wachstumsringzeichnung. Es ist harzig mit einer groben Textur.

Eigenschaften

Darrdichte liegt zwischen 650-690 kg/m³. Holz trocknet gut mit geringer Schwindung. Arbeitet kaum und verfügt über hohe Biege- und Druckfestigkeit, hohe Tragfähigkeit und mittlere Schlagfestigkeit. Nicht zum Dampfbiegen geeignet.

Verarbeitung

Kann gut von Hand und maschinell bearbeitet werden. Der Harzaustritt kann Probleme bereiten. Bietet guten Schrauben-, Nagel- und Klebehalt. Die Oberfläche läßt sich leicht behandeln.

Holzschutz

Moderat alterungsbeständig, wobei es hin und wieder zu Käferbefall kommt. Holz ist resistent gegen Holzschutzbehandlung, aber das Splintholz ist permeabel.

Verwendung

Konstruktionsholz, Dockanlagen, Rammpfähle, Brückenbau, Fahrzeugbau, Schiffbau, Außenbau, lnnenausbau, Bodenbeläge, Kisten, Paletten

Gruss Werner5 (Werner)



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 12:46:45, said:
Art Nadelholz

Botanischer Name Pinus Palustris

Botanische Familie Pinaceae

Vorkommen

Dies ist das schwerste, kommerziell genutzte Weichholz und wächst in den gesamten USA in einem Bogen von Virginia über Florida bis an den Golf von Mexiko.

Erscheinungsbild

Das cremerosafarbene Splintholz ist recht dünn und kontrastiert mit dem gelbroten bis rötlichbraunen Kernholz mit seiner auffälligen Wachstumsringzeichnung. Es ist harzig mit einer groben Textur.

Eigenschaften

Darrdichte liegt zwischen 650-690 kg/m³. Holz trocknet gut mit geringer Schwindung. Arbeitet kaum und verfügt über hohe Biege- und Druckfestigkeit, hohe Tragfähigkeit und mittlere Schlagfestigkeit. Nicht zum Dampfbiegen geeignet.

Verarbeitung

Kann gut von Hand und maschinell bearbeitet werden. Der Harzaustritt kann Probleme bereiten. Bietet guten Schrauben-, Nagel- und Klebehalt. Die Oberfläche läßt sich leicht behandeln.

Holzschutz

Moderat alterungsbeständig, wobei es hin und wieder zu Käferbefall kommt. Holz ist resistent gegen Holzschutzbehandlung, aber das Splintholz ist permeabel.

Verwendung

Konstruktionsholz, Dockanlagen, Rammpfähle, Brückenbau, Fahrzeugbau, Schiffbau, Außenbau, lnnenausbau, Bodenbeläge, Kisten, Paletten

Gruss Werner (Werner5)



Baumarten, welche hier aufgeführt werden
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Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-27 05:07:26, said:
Guten Tag zusammen,

Ich bin relativ neu auf dieser Web-Seite unterwegs. Daher habe ich auch wenig Erfahrung mit dieser Seite.

Ich hätte eine Frage dazu : Welches sind die Kriterien, um eine Baumart in der Liste aufzunehmen ?

Müssen es sehr hohe, oder Bäume mit extremem Stammesumfang sein ? Ausschliesslich ? Denn es fehlen ja viele Spezies, z.B. bei den Tannen (Abies). Kann mir jemand Auskunft geben, was da gefordert ist ? Oder ist es gewünscht, dass auch weniger bekannte Baumarten hier gespeichert werden ?

Vielen Dank im voraus für Eure Rückmeldungen.

Gruss

Werner (Werner5)


Conifers, at 2023-10-27 10:58:43, said:
Did you check the All tree species list? We already have 33 species and 3 hybrids of Abies with specimens registered here. But yes, if you have specimens of any of the remaining species not listed here, you are very welcome to add them.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-27 16:43:26, said:
Hi Werner,

There are no hard criteria in what you can post. You have to feel the atmosphere. Initially it started with sequoiadendron. Later on it expanded to "monumental" trees. What that is, isn't specified. If you scroll the lists you see funny examples. You might see a Nothofagus obliqua as a monumental tree in the Netherlands with a circumference of 1,07 metres. That's not monumental if you see the worldwide collection. But it's the only one in the Netherlands. ! .

So there is your answer. You have to take in account what species it is, but also where the tree is located. I just registered an Aesculus californica with a hardly relevant circumference. But it's the only one in the Netherlands.

So if you want to register a Tilia x europaea somewhere in Germany I would say not lower than about 3 or 4 metres circumference and even then. But in Asia??? I don't know if there aren't registered any.

Kind regards and much fun

Wim


Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-27 18:30:25, said:
Dear Mr. Wim Brinkerink,

Thank you for your information. I have to explain you what I have done for my own : I work as a carpenter in a small carpentry in Switzerland. We produce only wooden toys for children. We use just local kind of woods and a limited sort.

But in my free time I built a data base of mainly trees of which I had an image of the tree and above all an image of the surface (texture) of the wood. I saved all information in an own programmed data base. I added all species mainly with the botanical name and aswell a common name of the tree or kind of wood. I have a list for example of all abies species with wood surface and also without wood surface. I also listed all subspecies of the abies varieties. I could show you this list, as an example. But I do not know how to upload Bitmaps in our discussions. I would like to show you my complete list of all Abies types. My relatively "old" database is written with Delphi (Object Turbo Pascal) with a 32-bit computer. At the moment I use a 64-bit Lap Top and I can not use this database with my newer computer. But I collected a huge amount of pictures of trees with botanical names. But all without indication of position around the world.

Please let me know, how I can upload Bitmaps to show you the complete list for example of Abies types.

Kind regards

Werner (Werner5)


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-29 10:10:01, said:
I cannot speak for the website. I can only tell you about what's been going on. And for sure this website is not a kind of encyclopaedia of tree species. Other databases (sites) are better for that purpose. Essential on monumentaltrees is that the location and measurement and picture of a specific tree is shown.

And I do not know how to show or upload your list of trees in general. As I said you can register a tree on a specific location and add a picture and measurement of it.

Kind regards.


Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-29 10:43:04, said:
Dear Mr. Brinkerink,

Thank you for your detailed explanations. Now I am sure that my information about trees are insufficient then I never have the accurate data about the location of the tree and also no measurements of the corresponding tree. It is more an enzylopedic collection of trees and woods. So the question was answered, thank you for that. As I could see, here on this collection of trees it is necessary to have the location and some measured data of the tree. And these data I do not have. Therefore I do not upload my data.

Kind Regards

Werner



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treeloverrr, at 2023-10-28 00:50:31, edited at 2023-10-28 01:28:12, said:
It is also called Maple-leaf Oak.

Conifers, at 2023-10-28 16:53:21, said:
Added! IUCN use the spelling Maple-leaved Oak, so I used that, rather than '-leaf'.

treeloverrr, at 2023-10-29 01:51:29, said:
Ok great!


New country Sierra Leone
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Tim B, at 2023-10-28 19:12:56, said:
Hi,

on request I have now made it possible to add trees in Sierra Leone.

Kind regards,

Tim



Sierra Leone
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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-05-26 11:18:06, said:
Hallo Tim,

Zou je svp Sierra Leone willen toevoegen?

Groet

WIm


Tim B, at 2023-10-28 18:39:39, said:
Yes, staat op mijn lijstje.

Groeten,

Tim



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Tim B, at 2023-10-28 18:19:38, said:
Hi all,

I would like to inform you that today I have upgraded the systems behind this website so more photos can be stored.

This costs me some additional money each month but is covered by the Google ad fees (the financial model behind this site: ad fees (income) and hosting costs (costs) more or less in balance so the site can continue to exist for many many years to come). In the course of the next weeks I will make about 500-600 TB full resolution photos available for download again, as older photos were only visible in smaller format to save disk space. I saved these offline but now I have more disk space online, I will upload them again.

Kind regards,

Tim



TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2023-10-27 20:29:22, said:
This record doesn't seem to have attracted any comments. The recorder places this tree, with apparent confidence, a few miles away from the 'Doerner Fir'. But in a brief online search I can find nothing to corroborate this lidar measurement.

Conifers, at 2023-10-28 16:50:11, said:
Lack of photos means it is rather hidden in the database - I'd not noticed it existing here at all! Very impressive if true, but definitely needs verification.


Gina77, at 2023-10-27 19:02:49, said:
Höhe entspricht der Höhe des Kapellenturms


Dolphin22, at 2023-10-27 17:09:14, said:
Ich würde gerne eine Gruppe von 3 Ginkgo Bäumen im Schlosspark Grafenegg hinzufügen, leider weiß ich nicht wann diese gepflanzt wurden, aber ich habe die GPS Koordinaten, da ich selbst dort war: 48°25'45.3"N 15°44'38.7"E. Die Bäume sind wirklich sehr groß und entsprechend alt. Ich habe sie hier nicht gefunden, es scheint nur einen Ginkgo Baum im Schlosspark hier zu geben und das ist laut Foto, der falsche.

Ich konnte keine Baum hinzufügen, weil ich das Pflanzjahr nicht weiß, vielleicht kann sich das mal jemand ansehen und mehr heraus bekommen.



Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-26 21:17:26, said:
Waarom staat deze boom in de lijst niet als gekapt. ? Tim?

Jeroen Philippona, at 2023-10-26 22:16:47, edited at 2023-10-26 22:21:17, said:
Ha Wim,

Soms is de wijziging dat een boom is gestorven of omgezaagd niet verwerkt in het systeem van de database met bomen van die soort op volgorde van dikte of hoogte. Tim zal kunnen aangeven wat daarvan de oorzaak is, maar het blijkt meestal makkelijk te corrigeren, door de boom heel even weer als 'levend' te vermelden en vervolgens opnieuw als gestorven te melden. Dat heb ik bij deze moeraseik gedaan en nu staat hij inderdaad doorgestreept, dus als gestorven, in de lijsten.

Groeten, Jeroen

PS: vreemd genoeg werd mijn tekst na opslaan in drievoud weergegeven. Ik heb de bovenste tekst daarna nog iets aangepast maar kan de twee onderste niet verwijderen.


Jeroen Philippona, at 2023-10-26 22:16:54, said:
Ha Wim,

Soms is de wijziging dat een boom is gestorven of gekapt niet verwerkt in het systeem van de database met bomen van die soort op volgorde van dikte of hoogte. Tim zal kunnen aangeven wat daarvan de oorzaak is, maar het blijkt meestal makkelijk te corrigeren, door de boom heel even weer als 'levend' te vermelden en vervolgens opnieuw als gestorven te melden. Dat heb ik bij deze moeraseik gedaan en nu staat hij inderdaad doorgestreept, dus als dood, in de lijsten.

Groeten, Jeroen


Jeroen Philippona, at 2023-10-26 22:16:58, said:
Ha Wim,

Soms is de wijziging dat een boom is gestorven of gekapt niet verwerkt in het systeem van de database met bomen van die soort op volgorde van dikte of hoogte. Tim zal kunnen aangeven wat daarvan de oorzaak is, maar het blijkt meestal makkelijk te corrigeren, door de boom heel even weer als 'levend' te vermelden en vervolgens opnieuw als gestorven te melden. Dat heb ik bij deze moeraseik gedaan en nu staat hij inderdaad doorgestreept, dus als dood, in de lijsten.

Groeten, Jeroen


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-27 08:30:07, said:
Dank voor de tip Jeroen.

Ik ben in de loop der tijd meerdere bomen tegen gekomen die als dood of gekapt geregistreerd stonden, maar niet doorgestreept waren in het overzicht. Ik heb Tim er al eerder oop gewezen en hij heeft toen correcties aangebracht. Dank je voor de tip zodat ik het zelf kan doen en Tim niet hoef lastig te vallen.



Werner Reckholder, at 2023-10-25 05:31:20, said:
Zu den Baumrekorden habe ich folgendes herausgefunden :

■ Hyperion - Der höchste Baum der Welt

Der höchste Baum der Welt ist einer jener Küsten-Redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens). Erst im August 2006 wurde der 115 m hohe Gigant entdeckt und erhielt den Namen "Hyperion".

Der Hyperion ist der derzeit höchste anerkannte Baum der Welt (Stand 2007). Er ist ein Küstenmammutbaum (Sequoia sempervirens) im Redwood-Nationalpark in Kalifornien mit 115,55 m Wuchshöhe. Benannt wurde der Baum nach dem Titanen Hyperion in der griechischen Mythologie. Er löste 2007 den bisherigen Rekordhalter Stratosphere Giant, ebenfalls ein Küstenmammutbaum, ab.Hyperion wurde am 8. September 2006 von Chris Atkins und Michael Taylor entdeckt. Die Baumhöhe wurde vom Baumforscher Steve Sillet bestätigt. Weil Küstenmammutbäume extreme Flachwurzler sind und eine Verdichtung des Bodens durch Besucher die Wurzeln des Baumes schädigen kann, wird der exakte Standort des Baumes nicht veröffentlicht. Es ist daher nur die Lage des Waldgebiets, nicht aber die des individuellen Baumes bekannt: 41° 12′ 40″ N, 124° 0′ 10″ W

Wo genau der Hyperion steht, wird übrigens geheim gehalten – Behörden befürchten, dass Touristen den Boden um den Baum herum platt trampeln und damit die Wurzeln des Küstenmammutbaumes schädigen könnten.

Bis 1995 war das mit 112 Metern der "Tall Tree" im Redwood National Park. Dann brach seine Spitze ab und der "National Geographic Society Tree" aus demselben Park rückte auf Platz eins vor. Neuere Messungen im Park ergaben aber, dass der Küstenmammutbaum "Hyperion" mit 115,5 Meter Wuchshöhe als Rekordhalter.

"Stratosphere Giant" im Humboldt Redwoods State Park (Stammhöhe 112,87 Meter, zweithöchster Baum auf der Erde).

Der höchste Baum der Erde stand bis zum Anfang des Jahrhunderts (20.) in Australien. Das Exemplar einer dort beheimataten Eukalyptus - Art wurde nach dem herbeigeführten Fall mit rund 133 Meter Höhe und einem Stamm- durchmesser von 5.5 Metern eingemessen.

Mit einer Höhe von 132,58 Metern hält ein im 19. Jahrhundert gemessener australischer Rieseneukalyptus den historischen Rekord.

Sowohl die Eukalyptusbäume Australiens als auch die nordamerikanischen Mammutbäume der Art "Sequoia sempervirens" können über 100 Meter hoch werden. In der kalifornischen Küstenregion stehen auch die aktuellen Rekordhalter. Bis 1995 war das mit 112 Metern der "Tall Tree" im Redwood National Park. Dann brach seine Spitze ab und der "National Geographic Society Tree" aus demselben Park rückte auf Platz eins vor.

■ Die grösste Kastanie der Welt

Die grösste Kastanie der Welt steht in St. Alfio, Sizilien. Eine Sage berichtet, bereits im 14. Jahrhundert war sie so mächtig und ausladend, dass es einer Königin samt ihrem Gefolge von 100 Reitern gelang, unter ihrem Kronenmantel Schutz vor einem Unwetter gefunden zu haben.

■ Deutschlands höchster Baum

Mit 62.45 m ist eine Douglasie im Stadtwald von Ebernach bei Heidelberg der höchste Baum Deutschlands.

■ Der grösste Wacholder der Welt

Der grösste Wacholder der Weltist der „Bennett – Wacholder“ in Kalifornien.

Er soll über 2000 Jahre alt sein.

■ Der größte Cashewbaum der Welt

Wer unter diesem Baum spazieren geht, glaubt, er steht im Wald. Aufgrund eines genetischen Fehlers wachsen die Äste dieses Cashewbaumes am Strand von Parnamirim im Nordosten Brasiliens nicht nach oben, sondern zur Seite. Ihr eigenes Gewicht drückt die Äste schließlich an den Boden, wo sie neue Wurzeln schlagen - ein vermeintlich neuer Baum entsteht. Der Cashewbaum von Parnamirim hat mittlerweile die Größe eines Waldes erreicht. Er erstreckt sich auf eine Fläche von 8500 Quadratmetern.

Falls mir bei meinen Recherchen ein Fehler unterlaufen sein sollte, bitte melden.

Es grüsst Euch herzlich

Werner Reckholder (Werner5)


Conifers, at 2023-10-25 20:48:10, said:
"Falls mir bei meinen Recherchen ein Fehler unterlaufen sein sollte, bitte melden" - those historical Eucalyptus height claims are not reliable, they can be ignored. The 115.55 m of Hyperion is the tallest tree verified to have existed at any time.


gunnar, at 2023-10-24 19:44:11, said:
Interesting place, love Plicata, no pictures? Do you know the girth of this tree?


Common Ash (Fraxinus excelsior) "25171" - wie alt ist dieser Baum?
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LeaBauer, at 2023-10-19 15:48:57, said:
Hallo zusammen und hallo Tom :)

ich hätte eine Frage bezüglich der Fraxinus excelsior (Common Ash) "25171", welche entlang der Moosstraße in Freising zu finden ist. Wie alt schätzen Sie diesen Baum?

Ich würde mich sehr über eine Antwort freuen!

Mit vielen Grüßen

Lea


Tom, at 2023-10-19 17:12:52, said:
Hallo Lea,

da Eschen unter günstigen Bedingungen recht zügig wachsen können und ich bei diesem Exemplar davon ausgehe, würde ich vielleicht grob die Tendenz 150 Jahre einschlagen. Auf jeden Fall älter als die Wohnsiedlung daneben, aber alles andere als unglaublich alt.

Viele Grüße

Tom



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LeaBauer, at 2023-10-19 15:46:12, said:
Hallo zusammen und hallo Tom :)

ich hätte eine Frage bezüglich der Fraxinus excelsior (Common Ash) "25171" entlang der Moosstraße in Freising, welche Sie meines Wissens nach 2020 zuletzt besucht und gemessen haben.

Wie alt würden Sie diesen Baum circa schätzen?

Ich würde mich sehr über eine Antwort freuen!

LG

Lea



room100, at 2023-10-15 00:40:07, said:
Hi

Do you have a photo of this tree?



Fotos de Nardo
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crisfer, at 2023-10-14 10:47:46, said:
Maravilloso trabajo!!! felicitaciones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bald Cypress in Australia
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Ian Frakes, at 2023-10-11 05:40:55, said:
I attempted to upload an unusual planting of Taxodium distichum, Bald Cypress, in Canberra Australia that most people wouldn't know about.

They are on the western side of Black Mountain Peninsula.

I have some photos but unfortunately cannot work out how to upload them to this site.

35° 17' 8.838" S

149° 5' 58.26" E


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-10-12 18:58:46, said:
First you have to upload the tree, then you add the photo to the tree. At what point do you stop ?


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-06 16:49:13, said:
I'm curious if one considers this one as multistemmed or not. I'm aware of the fact that Zocher has been playing a role in this premises. I know Zocher often used multistemmed trees. But at this particular place? As a non-comitted observer I would say definitely multistemmed. But...???

Conifers, at 2023-10-06 21:16:22, said:
I think I'd be inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt, it's hard to tell if that apparent cleft in the trunk is a sign of two coalasced stems, or a sunken lightning scar on a single stem. The only real way to tell would be to take a set of cores and see if it has a single centre at measuring height or not - this can surprisingly hard to tell.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-10-08 15:24:00, said:
Thanks.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-29 21:03:55, edited at 2023-09-29 21:06:32, said:
Beste Gerard,

Het toeval is af en toe ondoorgrondelijk. Ik nam me gisteren voor een oude bekende op te zoeken. De Hemelboom in Bloemendaal en een paar bomen in Haarlem en éen in Amsterdam. Toen ik bij de boom in Bloemendaal was liet ik de dame in het huis voor de boom zien wat ik in het verleden fotografisch had vastgelegd. Ik wilde uitleggen dat het om de zo veel tijd meten zin heeft en inzicht geeft. Maar ik zag ineens een onbekende die een meting had toegevoegd.

Later op de dag zag ik dat jij me zo'n 3 uur voor was. Merkwaardig. En leuk. Welkom in de gemeenschap. Ik heb de meting ook gedaan en kwam 1 cm hoger.

Tot mijn ergernis lukte mijn Amsterdams avontuur niet. Ik ben tot 3x toe vastgelopen in afgesloten wegen. Ik kon de Falckstraat niet bereiken. Maar ja...Amsterdam.. achterlijke provincie .. Ik heb steeds meer weerzin tegen die anarchistische enclave.

Groet en nogmaals welkom.


GerardTamminga, at 2023-09-30 18:59:14, said:
Ha Wim,

Grappig dat jij die boom ook net kwam meten. Ik ben een half jaar geleden voor de bomenstichting actief geworden, vooral om een wandelboekje 'Langs monumentale bomen in Haarlem' te maken. Ik hoop dat dat volgend jaar gaat lukken. Via Jeroen ben ik toen ook boominspecteur geworden. Ik doe vooral mijn best de bomen in Haarlem netjes in het register te hebben en af en toe loop ik met een vriend door aanpalende gemeenten en inventariseren we een paar bomen. Jouw naam ben ik natuurlijk al menigmaal tegen gekomen. Laat het weten als je nog eens in de buurt bent, dan kunnen we kennismaken en mogelijk samen op pad.

Mvrgr, Gerard (06-49859860)


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-30 22:50:41, said:
Hi Gerard,

Dat is een mooi initiatief. Haarlem is een belangrijke plaats qua bomen, Al is het maar omdat Zocher hier zijn domicilie zocht in de 19de eeuw. Dat is een bron van ontdekkingen wat mij betreft. Ik ontdekte een paar jaar geleden bijvoorbeeld de Castanea sativa in het Florapark. Die was er zonder ZOcher zekr nooit geweest. Maar ook Haarlem is niet vrij van zeewind en dat is niet altijd goed voor bomen. Mijn Haagse en Wassenaarse ervaringen relativeren dat enorm.

Graag bereid tot samen denken en onderzoeken. (En ik ben ook al jaren boominspecteur bij de Bomenstichting)

Groet

Wim


GerardTamminga, at 2023-10-01 14:39:29, said:
Ja, die tamme kastanje heb ik ook voor de bomenroute geselecteerd. Om het een of andere reden staat die nog niet in het register van de Bomenstichting, maar dat gaat eerdaags gebeuren.

Mvrgr, Gerard



Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-29 20:52:47, said:
Thank you Conifers for picking it up. I thought I had to make it part of this database. Wasn't easy and you finetuned it. Thank you for that. This tree has to be saved for common memory. I was stunned when I read the news of vandalising the tree, but was even more surprised it wasn't in this database.

Conifers, at 2023-09-29 22:23:54, said:
Thanks! Awful admission that I've never been to see it (it's very difficult to get to without a car); and now, I can't, ever. I've been looking at more pics to see if I could estimate the height better, I think I may be a metre or two over with my 15 m estimate yesterday, 14 m would probably be a bit closer.


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ivailo, at 2023-09-29 18:53:09, said:
Hello,

First of all great idea for the site!

I noticed that currently the map is not configured correctly, do you need help for fixing this ?



Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-29 17:32:05, said:
Amazing tree. Only 2 trees of this cultvar/subspecies(?) registered on the site.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-29 14:58:08, said:
Hi Tim,

Today I tried to add a new tree. It didn't work. I couldn't register it. Tried twice. Got the message that the webmaster was informed, but I'll let you know via this way, so others can take notice.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-29 15:18:32, edited at 2023-09-29 15:32:15, said:
Tim.

Thanks. Now it works again. Aiaia but the coördinates are missing and cannot add or change them..



Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian's Wall cut down by 'vandals'
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roburpetraea, at 2023-09-28 18:44:27, said:
Sad, sad news. I wonder what's in the mind of the idiot that cut the tree, what kind of harm was the tree doing to him.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-66947040


Conifers, at 2023-09-28 23:14:26, said:
Aye, dreadful news, a real local icon here. Professional-standard cutting job too - whoever did it, is an experienced chainsaw user.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-26 17:31:55, said:
De laatste meting 3,21 is foutief. Ik kan hem niet vrwijderen. De meting is van een andere boom.

Conifers, at 2023-09-26 17:44:02, said:
Is it possible for you to edit it?

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-27 07:03:50, said:
I tried 0,0 but that didn't work. Incidentally that wouldn't be a nice solution. It would corrupt the growth.

Conifers, at 2023-09-27 09:56:34, said:
The interesting thing is, it is likely very close to the actual measurement of this tree, in line with its previous growth. So with any luck, no need to remove or change it.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-24 15:51:06, said:
Verbazend dat deze boom jaarlijks zo extreem groeit. En dat door meerdere mensen bevestigd.


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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-20 18:57:59, edited at 2023-09-20 20:29:57, said:
Tim,

I know you are aware of the insult that's happening when people can overscribe other one's posts. I have too often experienced I placed a measurement and someone else places a new one a tiny bit higher and my measurement disappears. This is not acceptible in my opinion. What do you think? I know it's on your agenda but does it have enough urge? And do you have enough time to deal with it?


KoutaR, at 2023-09-21 07:23:15, said:
I also think that should be forbidden. If I have understood correctly, a new measurement can only be added one year after the former measurement. Then the older measurement remains and the both are shown in a table. That's fine. However, if one want to add a new measurement in the same year, the only possibility is to edit the older measurement and then the older measurement disappears. I think nobody should do that. Why it would be necessary to measure a tree twice in a years at all? One solution would be to allow multiple measurements in a year in the table.

Tim, at 2023-09-21 17:31:06, said:
Hi, yes, that is indeed not an ideal situation.

It is however a fact that any measurement is kept in the system, only the most recent one in a given year is shown.

It is on the list of things to improve once my small children are older and I have more time (absolutely none at the moment, not even able to read the hundreds of mails I'm getting).

Kind regards,

Tim


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-09-21 18:40:08, said:
Wherever there are children there is a Golden Age


stevesaffold, at 2023-09-20 23:43:05, said:
ugh, wonderful website but I just spent 15 minutes trying to add a tree and it ended up failing. please fix this! i know you guys do this without pay...

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-09-21 18:28:30, said:
Exactly at what point did you fail?


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-16 16:17:30, said:
Hi Ernesto,

Fantastic tree. Thanks for registering. But I think it is not a Ceiba. Some kind of Ficus is more likely. The guy in the article you added, thinks Ficus albipila. I'd rather think Benghalensis or benjamina.


Conifers, at 2023-09-17 11:20:03, said:
I'd agree with Ficus, but not sure which species. I'll change it to 'Unidentified Ficus' if others agree.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-17 13:31:24, said:
Found another guy (active on the subject trees and natural environment) who thinks it is a F.albipila.

https://www.facebook.com/ancientforests/posts/2913687152220425/?paipv=0&eav=Afaf2x1hm7D9jMZeFgLPqTJmZwwb00GpBuR1Ee0z0uU1LaFWXVHbnLj7cpKYSMFsXn8&_rdr


DBZT, at 2023-09-18 15:55:40, said:
Benghalensis or albipila.

DBZT


DBZT, at 2023-09-18 15:55:43, said:
Benghalensis or albipila.

DBZT


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-18 17:48:14, said:
Since alpibila is not native to Indonesia, I suggest to register it as benghalensis. That's the most likely species. And it makes sure that someone in the near future collects more information/photo's.

DBZT, at 2023-09-18 18:02:20, said:
Maybe you're right.

DBZT, at 2023-09-18 18:03:16, said:
''Place aux jeunes'', comme on dit en France...

Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-09-18 21:04:21, said:
I don't know what species it is, I transcribing the one in the links.

We don't have a photo of flowers and leaves, I prefer to leave it, better than make a mistake twice.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-18 21:32:27, said:
I don't have problems with making mistakes. I do have a problem with cnsciencely accepting a wrong registry. One thing is sure; it is certainly not a ceiba pentandra. And it certainly is a Ficus. My brother in law is there this week. I'll ask him to make some pics.

Conifers, at 2023-09-19 00:56:21, said:
Thanks all! I'll put it as Ficus (sp.) for now; it can easily be changed when we get more details.

Conifers, at 2023-09-19 10:42:49, said:
@Wim - just to add, although their maps are very coarse, Kew POWO do give Ficus albipila as native in Indonesia; scroll down to 'Distribution' here. So we can't rule this species out. They also do not accept F. benghalensis there, mapping it as native only in the Indian Subcontinent.

DBZT, at 2023-09-19 11:14:11, said:
Cet arbre

DBZT, at 2023-09-19 11:14:13, said:
Cet arbre

DBZT, at 2023-09-19 11:14:43, said:
aurait 700 ans et non 600.

DBZT, at 2023-09-19 11:44:47, said:
F. benghalensis et benjamina développent rarement des grands contreforts et un tronc unique. Je pense qu'il s'agit plutôt de F. albipila.

DBZT, at 2023-09-19 11:56:48, said:
Voir aussi la liste rouge de l'IUCN : les gisements de ficus les plus proches de Bali sont des F. albipila (Genteng, east-Java, à quelques encâblures de Bali).

Conifers, at 2023-09-20 22:23:17, said:
OK, it's Ficus albipila now! Let me know if anything definite comes up that contradicts this.


Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-15 16:49:12, said:
Tim,

Can you please remove Quercus x ludoviciana? It is Quercus nigra 'Beethoven' The relevant items are changed in this way conform Owen's remarks.


TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2023-09-16 20:27:38, said:
No - Quercus x ludoviciana is a good species (hybrid). It is just that some trees distributed in the 20th century under this name were actually Q. nigra - these trees are now known as Q. nigra cv. 'Beethoven'.

Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-17 09:14:28, said:
OK. Did I than make a mistake to change the species of this tree.? https://www.monumentaltrees.com/nl/gbr/engeland/cityoflondon/965_royalbotanicgardens/41371/

It was registered as Q x ludoviciana and I must have misinterpreted your earlier contribution in which you made your point concerning Q. nigra Beethoven.


Conifers, at 2023-09-18 16:14:46, said:
Not easy to see the details of the leaves, but it isn't Q. nigra. But I'd also say not Q. x ludoviciana either; it looks very like a rather ordinary Q. rubra to me.

TheTreeRegisterOwenJohnson, at 2023-09-18 19:10:58, said:
The Kew tree is genuine Quercus x ludoviciana (as others on this site would also be.)

Our original discussion about Q. nigra 'Beethoven' referred to a single younger tree in the Netherlands.


Ernesto Rubio Velasco, at 2023-09-18 21:00:33, edited at 2023-09-18 21:05:13, said:
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Wim Brinkerink, at 2023-09-18 21:27:30, said:
@ Owen, I've changed it to the original input.


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